Tekton M-Lore Speaker Review

[PierreV]

I'm surprised that anyone making musical instruments would trust any subjective review instead of buying pro monitors as used in recording studios.

I am not. I've had pro classical musicians school me on the benefits of cables, be suprised by spectra and, when explained what spectras were, focus on the "beautiful moving colors". They usually have, at least compared to me, very precise clocks in their guts and tuning forks in their ears... that's it for the objective part. All the rest is in subjective territory and, to be honest, I believe it is a good thing. You only have to look at Glenn Gould and his two wildly different interpretation of the same piece. What would music be if all pianists decided to play a piece as closely as possible to the statistical model that most people seem to prefer according to "science" ?

Those people are very well aware of their own subjectivity and are focused on developing it because it is what makes them who their are. They are therefore primed to value subjectivity in other related fields. "A talented speaker designer working by ear" seems very natural to them.

Don't get me wrong here, I am in the camp that believes that machines that render the artist subjectivity should be as objective and accurate as possible but that is a completely different aspect imho.

Edit: don't forget we have thousands of years of instrument design and manufacture by ear. Science and measurements are now used to replicate the results of those early golden eared designers.

 

[markus]

Hi
The thing has hit the proverbial fan... It spilled hard on YouTube with some seriously watched ( >2.5 Millions views) Youtubers...
Unintended consequences of Mr. EA stunts: We may see a decrease in fluff reviews, aka "infomercials". Some YouTubers will see a negative review as a way to boost, credibility and viewership. They may have to back up their assertions however, lest the companies, some of these, with deeeeeep pockets, put them to task... Their best parade remains that of Science, of objectivity.
Interesting turn of events.

I am off the TekTon debate... for now

Have better things to do.


Peace.

Honest reviews, that would be the best outcome. You don't need to have a Klippel NFS to do honest reviews. Even subjective listening is perfectly fine as long as it happens in a bias controlled manner. Mutual interests of businesses and social media influencers have been ruling people's opinions for far too long.

 

[dasdoing]

I even voted "fine" on the speaker, because the "whole package" (decent efficiency, decent SPL capability, no flaws I would deem too offensive, made in USA, floorstander, 750$/pr) seems fine to me and I can see a target audience for it (and maybe because my expectations are generally on the lower end). What put me off was not the review, but the owners response.

when I lived in Berlin the Dönerbudenbesitzer were unfriendly af, but the Döners spoke for themself lol

 

[jpanda]

For information, EA declared using an Audiomatica system to test the speakers (in the comments thread of Tekton design Facebook page).
I guess it is less efficient or detailed than a Klippel system, but is it a sufficient system for a speaker designer?

 

[Vladimir Filevski]

Yes, it is - I am using it , back from the days when CLIO was in the version 4.
But we haven't seen any measurement from Tekton so far, so I think Eric Alexander never used Audiomatica CLIO, or know how to use it - some other guy designed Tekton crossovers.

 

[Rick Sykora]

Modeled the M-Lore with a Eminence Beta 8 and, if you make the cabinet leakier and up the tuning several Hz, you get a comparable effect on its response just as @tmtomh showed earlier on Erin's Troubadour review...

Note this is just an estimate as did not sim a potential crossover but can see the dotted line is the original response and the solid one is with the leak. This may be audible but only likely if you could listen to them readily side by side. So the leaky cabinet impact to the measurement is small, but for listening, we all know the room could have greater impact at this end of a speaker's output.

 

[Soniclife]

For sure. His specs have no relationship to reality. I just post that on his page.

Does the US have any regulations around accuracy in advertising? The UK has the advertising standards authority, which if it received a complaint like this would demand the manufacturer defend the claim.

 

[prerich]

This person purchased Tekton and didn't like them. (att copied from another forum)!
He spoke with Eric on the phone(last paragraph). I have zero sympathy for what Eric is going through right now.

After reading the post that you referenced...and when I read the persons subjective impression of the sound...I said he needs some Forte's or a pair of Cornwalls! But alas, there is no excuse for poor customer service (as I served as the customer service rep for a major rubber company at one time). This type of attitude will find Tekton on the rubbish heap of speaker manufacturers if it continues. If you love what you've produced, no need to come after a reviewer, if it's proven broken - take steps to fix it. Although I know that Eric has gone through some crazy times in his life - and I actually took pity back then - in business, you have to press on, please your customers, and don't take offense at reviewers...it hasn't hurt Magneplanar, Wilson Audio, or Legacy Audio for that matter (Legacy prides itself on extremely low distortion).

 

[hch]

(btw the intro to his 1812 model introduction video on YouTube is... really something......)

Wow! This guy really seems to be one to stay away from.

 

[Spidacat]

New user and I'm still 10 pages behind (and only skimmed the first 100 pages but am familiar with most/all of the history)...

If Amir were to review another Tekton product, I'd think he'd have to review a new product from Tekton (no matter how distasteful to do so). Otherwise Eric could easily claim that the speaker could have been abused or tampered with if it doesn't measure how he expects. Amir could even claim the purchase was to partially offset the potential order cancellations that Tekton might have suffered.

 

[HeadDoc12]

New user and I'm still 10 pages behind (and only skimmed the first 100 pages but am familiar with most/all of the history)...

If Amir were to review another Tekton product, I'd think he'd have to review a new product from Tekton (no matter how distasteful to do so). Otherwise Eric could easily claim that the speaker could have been abused or tampered with if it doesn't measure how he expects. Amir could even claim the purchase was to partially offset the potential order cancellations that Tekton might have suffered.

Amir is not responsible for any order cancellations. Questionable speaker designs and disgusting CEO behavior are the causes of any sales loss.

 

[Inertiaman]

For sure. His specs have no relationship to reality. I just post that on his page.

Ironically, he directly acknowledges that their spec/advertised performance differs from their actual performance. From his FB post noted above in post #2373:

"any intentional slander that impugns our integrity or misrepresents the advertised or actual performance of our products"

Bolding is mine.

 

[tomtoo]

This is next level stuff. I don't think there's an appropriate emoji to react to these posts.
And the Darwin Award goes to......

Edit: to clarify, I was referring to EA on Facebook. He should tap out.

Maybe i can help sir?

 

[Ron Texas]

https://archimago.blogspot.com/2024/04/detailed-thdn-vs-output-level.html

Scroll down to the PR disaster part...

 

[poxymoron]

...and on and on he goes:

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First statement is factually false. I leave interpretation of the second statement to you.

I'm losing count. Is he tripling or quadrupling down now?

 

[Spidacat]

@HeadDoc12 Sorry, forgot the smilie. It was meant tongue in cheek. That was another of EA's BS claims. But could sort of been seen as an olive branch if anyone asked why on earth he'd purchase anything from Tekton after this debacle. I am glad Amir would test another speaker from Tekton if someone sent him one. Whether it's objective or subjective I'd really like to see more honest opinions of the tweeter arrays.

 

[Dialectic]

@HeadDoc12 Sorry, forgot the smilie. It was meant tongue in cheek. That was another of EA's BS claims. But could sort of been seen as an olive branch if anyone asked why on earth he'd purchase anything from Tekton after this debacle. I am glad Amir would test another speaker from Tekton if someone sent him one. Whether it's objective or subjective I'd really like to see more honest opinions of the tweeter arrays.

We know that the tweeter arrays are a solution in search of a problem.

Eric Alexander is not revolutionizing speaker design.

There is no need to dig further here.

 

[Timcognito]

We know that the tweeter arrays are a solution in search of a problem.

Eric Alexander is not revolutionizing speaker design.

There is no need to dig further here.

You might find this thread interesting.

Tekton style like tweeter array good idea?

There currently is some fuss about Tekton, especially since Erin (https://www.youtube.com/@ErinsAudioCorner) had reviewed a Tekton speaker and seemed to be forced to remove his review shorty after that. I very much hope that this matter will be resolved soon, since I very much appreciate Erin’s...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Spidacat]

Thanks @Timcognito I have already started reading that. Much more helpful than being told to bug off after 20 pages of others expressing their opinions.

 

[Timcognito]

Thanks @Timcognito I have already started reading that. Much more helpful than being told to bug off after 20 pages of others expressing their opinions.

Hope your tongue was in your cheek when typing that.