SMSL SU-10 DAC Review

[zajogungster]

So why all the fuss? Why astrologie? Why superstition? It's easy to belive and it's plesant to seek and buy stuff.
it's no big deal.

DAC ABX Test Phase 1: Does a SOTA DAC sound the same as a budget DAC if proper controls are put in place? Spoiler: Probably yes. :)

This thread is meant to once and for all settle the age-old question on whether different non-broken DACs have a "sound" or if all DACs sound the same! :cool: ...just kidding - those debates will probably never end. :p Let me start by providing the link to the ABX test. Note: There are 16...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Not easy to tell them appart even with a cheap one^^

the SMSL SU10 is an amazing DAC. Period

 

[pseudoid]

@amirm's great (and authoritative yet simple) video makes mince-meat out of what is audible and not...

Speed Reading DAC Audio Measurements
From <https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/speed-reading-dac-audio-measurements.43111/>

 

[FINFET]

Of course, the choice of DAC is always based on measurements! not the ears, but as a result the differences can be heard and not small.

If you believe in measurements then you know they are both transparent devices which means no audible differences can be heard. An APx555 exceeds the sensitivity of your ears like the Hubble Space Telescope surpasses the ability of your eyes. If you've proved there's some differences you can hear but can't be measured by lab instruments then it's gonna be an important scientific achievement that in fact most people here will want it to be true so audio can finally be a big deal, again.

 

[pseudoid]

If you've proved there's some differences you can hear but can't be measured by lab instruments then it's gonna be an important scientific achievement that in fact most people here will want it to be true so audio can finally be a big deal, again.

 

[zajogungster]

If you believe in measurements then you know they are both transparent devices which means no audible differences can be heard. An APx555 exceeds the sensitivity of your ears like the Hubble Space Telescope surpasses the ability of your eyes. If you've proved there's some differences you can hear but can't be measured by lab instruments then it's gonna be an important scientific achievement that in fact most people here will want it to be true so audio can finally be a big deal, again.

all Amir, or Wolf and their measurements showed a clear difference between my 2 devices and I'm just saying that what you see in the graphs is also clearly heard.

 

[Trell]

all Amir, or Vlk and their measurements showed a clear difference between my 2 devices and I'm just saying that what you see in the graphs is also clearly heard.

It's in your own mind, but hey, it's your money to spend as you like.

 

[zajogungster]

It's in your own mind, but hey, it's your money to spend as you like.

with such an approach, you obviously haven't advanced much in life.

 

[Trell]

with such an approach, you obviously haven't advanced much in life.

You've been a member of ASR for almost three years, but that hasn't made much of an impression (if any) despite all the reviews with measurements as well as many threads. Perhaps head-fi.org and similar sites fits you better?

 

[Rahan]

that's funny... You don't understand measurements. You believe your hearing outperform (from far) the human hearing and when someone says kindly that you're wrong, you make it personnal. Keep in mind audioscience review is about science. Your approche seems to be far from it.

 

[zajogungster]

that's funny... You don't understand measurements. You believe your hearing outperform (from far) the human hearing and when someone says kindly that you're wrong, you make it personnal. Keep in mind audioscience review is about science. Your approche seems to be far from it.

so the measurements and reviews are of no use after that... if it doesn't make sense in your opinion anyway, so there is no audible difference. ???

 

[zajogungster]

You've been a member of ASR for almost three years, but that hasn't made much of an impression (if any) despite all the reviews with measurements as well as many threads. Perhaps head-fi.org and similar sites fits you better?

do you think that making an audio device is easy and can be created without knowledge and without measurements? Yes, I believe what you write, that's why I'm ASR here, but as a musician and a listener, quality sound is important, so it's fine to discuss it at any level, and I'm just confirming that for me there is an audible difference in two quite differently measured devices.

 

[Rahan]

so the measurements and reviews are of no use after that... if it doesn't make sense in your opinion anyway, so there is no audible difference. ???

Science has already proved what difference you can hear and what you can't. The audiblue difference betwen two good dacs is : no difference. Period
ABX your DACs and THEN, come back to tell use what you experienced. If your are so sure about it you won't be afraid to do so.

 

[zajogungster]

Science has already proved what difference you can hear and what you can't. The audiblue difference betwen two good dacs is : no difference. Period
ABX your DACs and THEN, come back to tell use what you experienced. If your are so sure about it you won't be afraid to do so.

maybe it's good to clarify what is perceived as a DAC here, as for the DAC chip itself, it's clear... but DAC as a device that also contains an analog output, where there are different opamps, the differences are audible just by replacing it with another one. and yes there was an ABX test

 

[Trell]

maybe it's good to clarify what is perceived as a DAC here, as for the DAC chip itself, it's clear... but DAC as a device that also contains an analog output, where there are different opamps, the differences are audible just by replacing it with another one. and yes there was an ABX test

Did you measure before and after replacing that opamp?

 

[xnor]

@zajogungster You've already evaded the issue and derailed the point made through irrelevant comments on Wednesday, right after it came up:

I expected such a response. I'll leave it like that for now. By the way, I have a recording studio available.. and of course real time comparisons!

Nobody asked for a studio or realtime comparisons. What was asked for is a test that produces usable evidence, such as DBTs.
Instead you you just move on, repeat your evidence-free claims, ridicule and attack.

Please take a step back and grow some self awareness.

 

[zajogungster]

Zvážte, že počutím nerozoznáte rozdiel medzi 2 DAC v modrej alebo dokonca v zelenej stupnici. Čo musíte mať na pamäti, je: konektivita pre váš účel, cena a tvar, prípadne diaľkové ovládanie. Nemôžete sa pokaziť, ak zostanete zelený a vyššie.

@zajogungster You've already evaded the issue and derailed the point made through irrelevant comments on Wednesday, right after it came up:

Nobody asked for a studio or realtime comparisons. What was asked for is a test that produces usable evidence, such as DBTs.
Instead you you just move on, repeat your evidence-free claims, ridicule and attack.

Please take a step back and grow some self awareness.

maybe I'm putting myself out there wrong, so I apologize if it seems like an attack on someone.
when I get to the materials again, or there will be new measurements, I'll put them here!
but it's all about details and a few misunderstandings.
But I have the right to disagree that there is no audible difference between two DACs with different SINAD.

 

[Trell]

maybe I'm putting myself out there wrong, so I apologize if it seems like an attack on someone.
when I get to the materials again, or there will be new measurements, I'll put them here!
but it's all about details and a few misunderstandings.
But I have the right to disagree that there is no audible difference between two DACs with different SINAD.

No one suggested that you don't have a right to disagree, just that you'll have to give better evidence to support your statements.

 

[HelpMeToo]

I need firmware help for the SU-10. There are two recent versions available but the most recently posted is the V1.02 and the pervious was V1.03. Which is the latest and why are they posted in opposite order? One in December and the other in January under the "Date" column. What's the difference in these? Oddly they have different versions numbers on the download page such as "V2.4" & "V221101" different from the actual "HEX" file names. All very confusing.

 

[Progronom]

I need firmware help for the SU-10. There are two recent versions available but the most recently posted is the V1.02 and the pervious was V1.03. Which is the latest and why are they posted in opposite order? One in December and the other in January under the "Date" column. What's the difference in these? Oddly they have different versions numbers on the download page such as "V2.4" & "V221101" different from the actual "HEX" file names. All very confusing.

And what version do you have now?

 

[HelpMeToo]

And what version do you have now?

When it arrived the V1.03 was installed and so I updated it to the V1.02 because that version was listed with a more recent version date. Opposite of logic, lesser number listed as most recent version. Now there are additional characters can't recall exactly but something like "V1.03 0b" verses "V1.02 1c". Have no clue what that means. Now today I see a newer update dated Mar 30th noted as V1.04. Let me see what happens with this version. UPDATE: I loaded V1.04. They never seem to state what the update is supposed to do. Display looks the same and options are the same. Nothing detectable.