zajogungster
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and as for me personally, I understand the subject matter and I have never bought or made anything that was not subjected to measurement tests! I believe in numbers, not opinions!
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SMSL SU-10 DAC Review
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Hate me those bad character DACs! They must have gotten some seriously lacking education
zajogungster
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with pleasure,
I listen from PC, Tidal, Audirvana (ASIO, WASAPI) and you have to pay attention to the settings... but after a long time the sound from the stream is comparable to CDplayer, in many ways better.
the disadvantage is that a lot of music and therefore bad audio recordings cannot be heard, as a result of exposure
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Well my thoughts are that SMSL advise to upload the latest firmware which suggests previous releases are covered by the latest. Similar to bios updates for PCs.
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What does these measurements mean in the real world? it will be totally transparent of the source?
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Yes if you have 105 SINAD or more it should be totally transparent. 120+ is scientifically provably transparent outside of the range of human hearing.
Rahan
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Consider that your cannot tell the difference between 2 DACs in the blue or even in the green scale by hear. What you have to mind is : connectivity for your purpose, price and form factor, remote control eventually. You can't go wrong if you stay green and above.
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you're wrong ! I own several of these DACs, the worst has SINAD -118 dB, the best -124 dB, two are from SMSL, one TOPING, Gustard...etc. There are differences and very big ones !!! soundstage, dynamics, and many other things that can be heard!
Rahan
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You think I'm wrong. I don't think so. Did you ABX your DACs? Can you find a true and scientific test where people have clearly hear differences between too good DACs? There is not.
Ps: sound stage is about speakers off axe response and your room. That's it. DACs, cables, rain Indians dances cannot change it.
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I expected such a response. I'll leave it like that for now. By the way, I have a recording studio available.. and of course real time comparisons! Of course, the choice of DAC is always based on measurements! not the ears, but as a result the differences can be heard and not small.
But it is important to me that those interested in a product here are not misled! even if ASR does not solve what and what kind of sound it has. but my last word is that the differences are audible
Rahan
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I'll be pleased to admit i'm wrong if you give me another proof than "I can hear it". Like a scientific study. Lot of people saw David Copperfield made a train vanished. there were no crazy, they were just fooled by their eyes. As we can be by our hears no matter our job.
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so I wasted €600 for something that is completely different, but I can't actually hear it. so why all the fuss.
Rahan
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So why all the fuss? Why astrologie? Why superstition? It's easy to belive and it's plesant to seek and buy stuff.
it's no big deal.
www.audiosciencereview.com
Not easy to tell them appart even with a cheap one^^
the SMSL SU10 is an amazing DAC. Period
it's no big deal.
DAC ABX Test Phase 1: Does a SOTA DAC sound the same as a budget DAC if proper controls are put in place? Spoiler: Probably yes. :)
This thread is meant to once and for all settle the age-old question on whether different non-broken DACs have a "sound" or if all DACs sound the same! :cool: ...just kidding - those debates will probably never end. :p Let me start by providing the link to the ABX test. Note: There are 16...
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Not easy to tell them appart even with a cheap one^^
the SMSL SU10 is an amazing DAC. Period
zajogungster
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So why all the fuss? Why astrologie? Why superstition? It's easy to belive and it's plesant to seek and buy stuff.
it's no big deal.
DAC ABX Test Phase 1: Does a SOTA DAC sound the same as a budget DAC if proper controls are put in place? Spoiler: Probably yes. :)
This thread is meant to once and for all settle the age-old question on whether different non-broken DACs have a "sound" or if all DACs sound the same! :cool: ...just kidding - those debates will probably never end. :p Let me start by providing the link to the ABX test. Note: There are 16...
Not easy to tell them appart even with a cheap one^^
the SMSL SU10 is an amazing DAC. Period
If you believe in measurements then you know they are both transparent devices which means no audible differences can be heard. An APx555 exceeds the sensitivity of your ears like the Hubble Space Telescope surpasses the ability of your eyes. If you've proved there's some differences you can hear but can't be measured by lab instruments then it's gonna be an important scientific achievement that in fact most people here will want it to be true so audio can finally be a big deal, again.
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