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Sennheiser HD800S Review (Headphone)

This must be a joke. Dynamic driver just sucks VS Planar. Especially when you listen to very fast music like House and Trance and Electronica.
I remember lots of years ago in headphones when focal launch his Focal utopia as the fastest headphone by audiophiles
Pd: house, trance and electronica sound much better to me with dynamic drivers, to me. But i own an Ether flow not a dynamic, i think i have this headphone for like 5 years.
 
I remember lots of years ago in headphones when focal launch his Focal utopia as the fastest headphone by audiophiles
Pd: house, trance and electronica sound much better to me with dynamic drivers, to me. But i own an Ether flow not a dynamic, i think i have this headphone for like 5 years.
I never liked the Utopia tbh. I listened to it a few times and it wasn't for me.
I have an Hifiman Ananda, DCA Aeon, OPPO PM-2.
I tried lots of dynamics but ultimately sold them all.
 
I recommend HD800 fans to look into the Drop + Grell OAE1.

Curious did you hear them?

IMO if someone owns HD800S, I would go for something completely different and not more of a same thing.
 
Curious did you hear them?

IMO if someone owns HD800S, I would go for something completely different and not more of a same thing.
Unless said headphone resolves the few minor nitpicks they had with the HD800 while retaining its strengths :)
 
The HD800S and the new OAE-1 are fairly far from one another tuningwise if we are to trust the preliminary measurements of the Grell can.
Where the 800 is laidback the OAE-1 is forward - that goes for both the bass as well as the uppermids.
They seem to be about as alike as the DT1990 and the LCD-2.
 
The HD800S and the new OAE-1 are fairly far from one another tuningwise if we are to trust the preliminary measurements of the Grell can.
Where the 800 is laidback the OAE-1 is forward - that goes for both the bass as well as the uppermids.
They seem to be about as alike as the DT1990 and the LCD-2.
I'm referring to how they are both very open-back and have a very angled driver. But the OAE1 has a far more angled driver than the HD800. I believe Grell said he wanted to go further with the HD800 during development but never had the chance to. So in a way this headphone is in some ways what he could have wanted the HD800 to be originally. I am stoked to receive mine and try them out.
 
Anyone who has heard HD800s with proper hardware, and EQ knows that there are no better headphones on the market, why spend more money than necessary?
It's really hard to come out with a statement like that. It's really quite hard to properly compare headphones for which you think are the best when you're talking about comparing your headphones that already have your best personally modified EQ's. I've found it's important to level match the EQ's between your different headphones and then when you're comparing them you leave the amp at the same setting, switch the headphone & load up it's level matched EQ. I have the HD800 (not the S version), and it took me quite a while to get the EQ into a good place, and then to compare it level matched vs my best EQ on my K702 headphone - turned out I like the EQ'd HD800 more. Process described in some detail at this post here:
I still haven't compared the EQ'd HD800 directly against my best HD560s EQ, and previously my best EQ'd HD560s was my joint favourite headphone with my best EQ'd K702, so logic stands to reason I'll like the EQ'd HD800 more than my best EQ'd HD560s, but I'd have to test it with level matched EQ, and it's no doubt that the EQ'd HD560s does better bass than the EQ'd HD800, so it might not be a straight forward comparison & win for the EQ'd HD800 vs EQ'd HD560s. I do think strength of HD800 is indeed soundstage & the treble once you can get the treble right, and the soundstage is affected by the EQ too, so I think it's right than HD800 does have some inherent high potential in these areas, and the bass is OK & quite good with the right EQ but bass not it's best feature. Either way it's really quite difficult to compare different headphones that have both been EQ optimised because overall tonality differences should be small or non existent between them at that point (so judgement is then about other factors that are harder to identify rather than just gross overall tonality differences that would be in play if we were instead talking about comparing stock headphones) (albeit easier than comparing speakers probably in terms of "setup effort" required), and if you factor in the pretty high cost of a new HD800s vs other headphones that are pretty affordable like HD560s (& a lot of others) then it's difficult for you to also say it's the best headphone in context of "why spend more money than necessary" that you mentioned, as this latter part is less likely to be close to the truth.

(Sorry, I've used the word "difficult" so many times it's ridiculous! But I think it's true, it's difficult for you to make the statements you did, it's difficult to properly compare EQ optimised headphones, it's difficult to avoid the pitfalls, it's just difficult alright!) :D
 
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This must be a joke. Dynamic driver just sucks VS Planar. Especially when you listen to very fast music like House and Trance and Electronica.
I feel like 'fast music' is a very weird idea to have. No matter how 'quickly' someone plays an instrument or how fast it repeats digitally your headphones will still manage to keep up. If they wouldn't they would be extremely broken wouldn't they?
 
I feel like 'fast music' is a very weird idea to have. No matter how 'quickly' someone plays an instrument or how fast it repeats digitally your headphones will still manage to keep up. If they wouldn't they would be extremely broken wouldn't they?
Taking a leap of faith I am going to guess the bass thump and the snap of the drums make for a faster sound if tuned the way these people like that to be to create a sensation of speed.
 
Taking a leap of faith I am going to guess the bass thump and the snap of the drums make for a faster sound if tuned the way these people like that to be to create a sensation of speed.
It is a different, difficult to describe phenomenon but planars have a 'cleaner'? sounding response. It's as difficult as writing a speaker review based on what you think it sounds like, try a planar at a store or a friends, I think you'll understand. I have the HD650s and a Hifiman planar and it's always a gametime decision on which I want to listen to. Try a decent set, see if you can hear and/or describe the difference. If you've not heard both it's hard to understand (I am just talking headphones and not cable conditioners or DACs ;)).
 
Taking a leap of faith I am going to guess the bass thump and the snap of the drums make for a faster sound if tuned the way these people like that to be to create a sensation of speed.

I listen to quite a bit of metal music, some very fast. I have never thought the HD800 S or any other headphone wasn't able to keep up with the speed of the double or triple bass pedals.

Even the inexpensive Koss KPH40 has a frequency response of 15 Hz to 25,000 Hz. Almost any headphone will be able to reproduce at least 15,000 cycles per second. I don't think any music contains more than 15,000 notes/beats per second so thinking only planar can keep up with some type of music is wrong.
 
the inexpensive Koss KPH40 has a frequency response of 15 Hz to 25,000 Hz. Almost any headphone will be able to reproduce at least 15,000 cycles per second. I don't think any music contains more than 15,000 notes/beats per second so thinking only planar can keep up with some type of music is wrong.
It's not about keeping up to the beat. It is about PEQing the audio so that the beats sound more tight and pronounced.
 
IMO, planar technology has some advantages, but, until now, it has not been implemented to the extent that it is better than dynamic drivers.
Human hearing is directly involved in this process, so judgments are very subjective.
 
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