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Review and Measurements of Okto DAC8 8Ch DAC & Amp

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DAC8 is using ESS DAC chip so for sure we will see our famous "ESS THD IMD," yes?

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There is a tiniest hint of that -- maybe -- around -32 dB or so. Or then again it could just be the variations we see throughout the graph. Whatever, it bests my reference DX3 Pro DAC I use for this test.
Btw, @Okto Research talks about not finding the "ESS THD IMD" in the ES9028PRO here:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...hadas-tone-board-dac.4823/page-19#post-122993
 

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The DSP version with Pi out of box running Volumio/Minidsp (https://www.oktoresearch.com/dac8dsp.htm) supports airplay so you can use that for now. Hopefully that gets upgraded in Roon Endpoint.

Thanks, although I find it the network connectivity of the DSP version a little confusing.

It seems (based on the Tidal, Spotify, etc.) logos like it should have built in network connectivity, but I don't see any network IO, either wifi or Ethernet, listed in the specs.
 
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I just exchanged messages with Pavel (from Okto Research) and he will respond tomorrow. For now, I think it has an entire minidsp in it like what is in SHD I reviewed so I suspect it will have an Ethernet port. They just redid their website and I am sure they will update it more as time goes by.
 

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So, this can do surround sound, but you would need to decode the Dolby/DTS audio and output it as USB? But that seems like a niche, so I don’t see the market for this product.

EDIT: Active crossovers
SACD and lossless multichannel music files.
 

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This is pretty amazing since I was thinking of grabbing three tone boards to pair with a minidsp. This far exceeds my expectations at a price of course :)
 

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This is a review and detailed measurements of the Okto Research DAC8 8-channel DAC and headphone amplifier. I was sent a prototype unit for measurements. From my understanding, the company has been producing the internal DAC module for a while for the DIY market. But now are building complete systems. So what makes this an early production unit is not the DAC module but the integrated version with input and other features. The version I have has the Okto DAC8 module plus an off-the-shelf UBS Input. My understanding is that the final units in production in April will also have their own USB input implementation plus 4xAES/EBU. It will cost 989 EUR in this configuration (about $1,120 as of this writing). This version will be known as DAC8 Pro. I will just be calling it DAC8 from here on.

There will be two other versions, one with DSP and the other in stereo configuration where four channels are folded into one to get better performance. See: https://www.oktoresearch.com/index.htm

Due to large number of outputs, the unit comes in "rack mount" 1U size (at least I think it complies with that spec). But through out any impression of dull, industrial look out of the window. The DAC8 employs two beautiful and highly legible OLED displays flanking its rotary control, giving it an exquisite look:


From what I have read, they have done the mechanical design (and production?) themselves too. The metallic part of the front panel looks a bit cold to me so if there is an option in black would be nice. Any misgivings on that part goes away the moment you interact with the unit. Display changes are instantaneous, giving you a very solid feel that you are making changes. I love all the key information nicely visible including the sample rate, input, volume, etc. Love it!

I had no trouble navigating the unit with the rotary control. The DAC8 though is able to learn the remote control of your choice or you can get it with an Apple Remote.

One minor thing is the top: it has screws on each side but none in the middle. This allows the top or flex a bit. I suggest putting a single additional screw in the back middle to remedy this.

The back panel on my unit is not fully populated per intro:


I am too lazy to usually show you all the menus but I thought I make an exception here. :) Pushing the rotary control changes the left side to:

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A second click changes the right side to this for volume. The menu will scroll down to let you lower the levels in all 8 channels:
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I turned on the 18 dB boost and it produced severe clipping at anything above -19 dB. I am not sure of its use other than for digital input that is at very low level. I hope @Okto Research can explain what they think this is useful for.

System menu is such:
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Display shows the usual stuff:
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And finally the ESS Sabre DAC settings which I left alone:
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Okto Research advertises superlative specs for this product -- numbers which we have not seen in our reviews. Is it the usual marketing games or real? Let's find out.

DAC Measurements
As usual, we start with our dashboard view:

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Wow! What a way to impress. Distortion+noise of just 0.000127%? And with such excellent channel matching? This places the SINAD at 118 which is a new record:

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Yes, a new SINAD king has been crowned!

In honesty though, there is an unfair advantage here. Can you spot it? The output voltage is 3.3 volt, not the usual 4 volt we like to see. Okto says they can program this to any level one wants. Usually distortion sets in when levels are increased so I expect some performance will be lost if this were boosted to 4 volts. Fortunately in use you are not going to need more voltage since you have a volume control in DAC8 so will be driving an amp below these levels anyway.

As if to deliver a one-two punch, the DAC8 delivers exemplary stable and noise-free linearity results sailing to -120 dB (20 bits of resolution):

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Dynamic range pushes the limits of my analyzer so likely the actual DNR is better than reported:

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With threshold of hearing being -116 dB, this is one silent DAC!

Jitter shows tiniest imperfection made more visible by very low noise floor:

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I had to remove audiosciencereview.com sticker at the bottom of the graph since the noise floor slid under it!

DAC8 is using ESS DAC chip so for sure we will see our famous "ESS THD IMD," yes?

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There is a tiniest hint of that -- maybe -- around -32 dB or so. Or then again it could just be the variations we see throughout the graph. Whatever, it bests my reference DX3 Pro DAC I use for this test.

Distortion and noise relative to frequency shows flat response which indicates plenty of bandwidth/gain:
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With some 30 dB lower distortion at 20 kHz, you do get something for paying more than $99 for your DAC (read: Khadas Tone Board).

For multi-tone test, I switched to a new method as the one I was using was too finicky and would generate garbage results if the delay through the DAC was not what it was expecting. So don't quite compare this to previous measurements:

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The accumulation of distortion products stops around -150 dB. Our tones are around -20 dB meaning there is almost 130 dB of distance between the peak and distortion products!

Folks, we have to stop here. I can't find any holes in this design. Surely we find a fertile in the headphone amp though. It has to be a throw-away feature made to fill the spec sheet....

Headphone Amplifier Measurements
Let's jump right into our power versus distortion+noise:

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From distortion and noise point of view, the DAC8 easy bests my DX3 Pro reference even in its low-gain mode. Alas, power is highly limited due to maximum of 1.6 volt output. So we don't even make it to 10 milliwatts. Those of you who have the DX3 Pro and operate it in low gain mode would have almost the same amount of power here.

Switching to 33 Ohm load gives us more power as expected but still not as much as we like:

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Again, power output is near what DX3 Pro produces in low gain mode.

No, the 18 dB boost doesn't help here. Again, it just makes the clipping point -18 dB on the volume control.

Output impedance is excellent at 1 ohm which is close to limit of how low I can measure with my fixture:
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Headphone Listening Tests
I plugged in my HD-650 into DAC8 and was greeted by what you see in the measurements: there is no hint of distortion to max 0 dB volume level. Due to limited power, there is no sensation of "subwoofer in your ear" as I like to see. :D What was there though is likely sufficient for many though. I was able to listen at levels between -9 to 0 dB.

The situation was a bit better with Hifiman HE-400i. A very pleasant experience but no chance of rattling off the screws on the drivers.

If you are interested in this product for headphone listening, I would start with what is there and see if it is enough. If not, then a pairing with Massdrop THX AAA 789 would be in order.

Conclusions
Let me confess that I had a few down moments prior to testing the Okto DAC8. There is such a large backlog of gear to review and it seems I am jumping from one measurement to another. Nothing cured that better though than putting the Okto Research's DAC8 on the bench. The DAC8 Pro is superbly engineered and delivers on objective measurements like there is no tomorrow. Heck, I got tired of putting exclamation marks in my review above. :) Could we have predicted this? To some extent yes: despite being a small company, they used the major competitor to my Audio Precision analyzer from Rohde and Schwarz. Time and time again we have seen that companies that measure their designs, product superb products. You have to verify what you build folks.

And this is not just some 2-channel DAC. You have 8 channels of output that should satisfy anyone who needs that many channels now or in the future. It is remarkable that Okto achieved such excellent results without combining four or 8 channels together as other companies do.

Then we have highly responsive, well design and clear displays. And excellent connectivity in the final version with more inputs to let you tailor this with your favorite DSP upstream.

The only miss is lack of infinite amount of power in its headphone stage for anyone wanting to use it that way. But what is there is high performance and distortion and noise-free.

As you call summize, the Okto Research DAC8 is an incredibly well designed and featured product. It is my absolute pleasure to recommend the DAC8.

I am also so happy to find a device designed and manufactured in Europe (Prague). I always feel bad giving high marks to US built devices that wind up being very expensive to import into EU.

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Brilliant!

It's is very refreshing to see small companies producing excellent engineered products.

State of the art at sensible price. Wow

I have been looking at this 8 channel to integrate into my own dsp speaker system (personal project not commercial) for a while. Must push the button and go ahead.
 
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Very, very impressive !

@amirm seems to be pulling out winners from his hat at an ever increasing rate !

Was looking through the Okto site, their products list seem to be populated with stuff that are feature rich one way or another.
Would be nice if they produced a simple DAC Headphone Amp with say a 4W maximum power output and XLR outputs and kept it in the Euro 500~750 range. I think it would be a superlative best-seller if it kept the same performance levels as the DAC8 Pro here.
 

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So, this can do surround sound, but you would need to decode the Dolby/DTS audio and output it as USB? But that seems like a niche, so I don’t see the market for this product.

EDIT: Active crossovers

Yeah, I'm wondering how to use the 8 channels. Does USB support 8 discrete uncompressed audio channels? I've only seen that done over HDMI. And how would you map the sub channel to the output being used for the sub?
 
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Yeah, I'm wondering how to use the 8 channels. Does USB support 8 discrete uncompressed audio channels?
Sure. Pro Audio products use it that way all the time. And in my testing, Windows nicely exposed all 8 channels.
 
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Do you sleep Amir?? :)

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Not much. Our dogs woke me up at 7:30 am after I went to sleep at 1:00am. But I was excited to wake up, walk the dogs and then finish the review.
 

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Incredible. Perfect state-of-the-art candidate for a 2-way active + quad sub (for smoothness rather than SPL), or 3/4-way with the multisubs daisy-chained. That this is built in the EU with nice industrial design justifies its price point - or at least, justifies it as much as a DAC of its price could anyway.
 
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Me too. I’ve almost bought Motu 8a.

Amir, many thanks to your majesty!
I bought the 8a months ago. Sadly it didn't work with a streamer so I could use Roon so I returned it after speaking with Motu who doesn't support Linux. This product appears to be the "one" with a sensible price and and solid engineering.
 

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Thanks Amir!

This might just be the perfect replacement for a MiniDSP 4x10HD for my Linkwitz LX521s. It looks like the DSP version is using MiniDSP's SHARC module so it has the potential to be a straight swap regarding filters etc.

Looks like they may be having a demo unit available in Europe too, so I'll try and get on that that list.

I haven't changed anything in my system for several years, but this might disrupt that!
 

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This is pretty amazing since I was thinking of grabbing three tone boards to pair with a minidsp. This far exceeds my expectations at a price of course :)

Would you sync their clocks or run them independently?
 

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Hi, first I apologize my poor english, my native language is finish

I signed in begause I want to tell my opinion off the ESS IMD hump.

Or maybe not :)
 
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This is, of course, a remarkable find. As with other DACs that Amir has tested, I have a nagging practical concern that there may not be enough inputs to cover all the bases of the digital outputs of a disc player, a television, a streamer like the Chromecast (unnecessary here?), and, perhaps, a gaming console. I think DACs should all have at least two optical and two coaxial inputs. This cannot be that expensive and would greatly increase practicality.
 

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Hi, first I apologize my poor english, my native language is finish

I signed in begause I want to tell my opinion off the ESS IMD hump.

It hapens when dac-chip differential outputs is not treated same way, gurrent or voltage.

In this review we see opamp OPA1632 that gan do differential I/U translation and replases 2 conventional, but if you want unbalanced output you have to use 3 conventional opamps per dac:s output channel (one for bouth differential outputs and one for summing), or you can do it one opamp but you get IM hump

So it is bossible to say if there is hump by observing output topology.

ESS sabre spesifigation says you gan use voltage or gurrent mode but it seems that output impedance and internal distortion compensation is selekted so that it work best when output voltage is zero so gurrent mode.

Hello Dman,
welcome, are you referring single or double opamps? If it is single opamps, the Khadas Tone board has the same approach (but using double opamps) and it shows the hump...

BTW I am very curious about the upcoming stereo version of the OCTO DAC, this company seems to be great!
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