Try and hear both in your room, it really is the only valid way, re distortion unless you sit a long way away 5m plus and play extremely loudly 95dB plus it will simply not be an issue.
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PSI Audio monitors - do they measure well?
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I read 11.4"
And the 8.3" diaphragm matches the diaph from my 12" subwoofer.
This in particular is a whole other topic, as it was my experience as well to treat my room and absorb a lot of decay below 150Hz. Adding more bass with new speakers will not solve it, in fact quite the opposite, it will make it more explicit.
This here may help.
Neumann KH310 in a small room (+subs, MA1, absorbers, AVAA)
Hello, I would like to share my experience of how the Neumann KH310 behaves in a small room and what measures have improved the acoustics for me. I thought it might be interesting for others, since the KH310 has been reviewed and measured and the predominantly neutral characteristics are well...
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But aren't 8Cs supposed to reduce that bass issue in untreated rooms thanks to the calibration and specific woofers' part conception?This in particular is a whole other topic, as it was my experience as well to treat my room and absorb a lot of decay below 150Hz. Adding more bass with new speakers will not solve it, in fact quite the opposite, it will make it more explicit.
This here may help.
Neumann KH310 in a small room (+subs, MA1, absorbers, AVAA)
Hello, I would like to share my experience of how the Neumann KH310 behaves in a small room and what measures have improved the acoustics for me. I thought it might be interesting for others, since the KH310 has been reviewed and measured and the predominantly neutral characteristics are well...
You right. For the external. But the surface is 210mm /9".
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I did consider PSI powered speakers and other high end pro models two years ago. I ended up getting a pair of Genelec 8351B’s. I think, one of the most advanced speakers one can buy today. Once calibrated, to my ears, they sound as perfect as I ever got in my home after 20 years of poursuit.
Check your SPLs and maybe you'll stay in the region of "acceptable THD".
So, IMO you'd better improve bass first than invest a lot into system that will be limited by room.
I'd think about attaching DRC and multi-sub solution to your existing A17 pair.
Also, check out possible distances. A25 IMO require at least 2,5m to LP otherwise they kind of "dominate" over you.
Not much, I'd say. Even new generation of A25. Just print out their datasheet (at 90 Db/m) and erin's tests, and "overlay" them at least at hand.
DSP-based calibration is not a perfect solution and some bass domain issues really need some physical actions.
I have yet to see someone with cardioid bass say it fixed their room issues instead of the hard way of measuring, treating, remeasuring, tweaking, etc.
They do, adjustable bass output, and 24 PEQ filters alongside sub/bass/mid/ tone controls.
Keith
I would just recommend to buy a PSI subwoofer : you just have to find good positions in the room and adjust level.
The PSI loudspeakers have a roll-off position with a high-pass filter for improved headroom but also with a phase response that matches the phase of PSI subwoofers, so to optimize the low frequencies summation.
Actually, if you need/have some form of DRC crossover, it's more kind of expensive joke than subwoofer.
It's extremely expensive for spl and distortion that it provides. It's only one good side is "easy integration" with PSI monitors aka daisychaining without DRC platform. Kind of "turn 2 trim pots and you have deeper bass added".
But if you have something less perfect than studio well-treated down to sub-range, it will not magically integrate into something flat.
Sealed home 15" sub will work much better for less money. Just check datasheet.
Fullrange cardioid Geithain user here..
it is not that they ‘fix’ room issues, but existing room issues are activated to a lesser extend as cardioid bass had no/low output to the rear of the speakers.
imo cardioid bass is very valuable in most situations. unfortunatley there are not much cardioid bass speakers available, that i am aware of. actually Geithain is the only one i know as even the Kii Three is not a true (full range) cardioid.
Dutch & Dutch 8C does not have cardioid bass if i understanding correctly, but cardioid mid/lowmid-range. it love its full bass though
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8C isn't a cardioid in the lower bass but from what I have read Kii Three is.imo cardioid bass is very valuable in most situations. unfortunatley there are not much cardioid bass speakers available, that i am aware of. actually Geithain is the only one i know as even the Kii Three is not a true (full range) cardioid.
Dutch & Dutch 8C does not have cardioid bass if i understanding correctly, but cardioid mid/lowmid-range. it love its full bass though
It is down to around 50 if I recollect with the BLT subs.
Keith
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Actually, they have developed small dome mid specially for A23.
A23 is more A21 + mid dome than A25, because A23 also have woofer with 170 mm membrane diameter and less powerful amps than A25.
I have a paid of A23.
It's the most advanced speaker from PSI.
Even the new A25 is not as good as the A23
It's the most advanced speaker from PSI.
Even the new A25 is not as good as the A23
I am not sure if that is true.
While I have no hesitation to believe how advanced and good the A23-M is, your statement imo undermines A25.
A25 has more powerfull amplifiers and the box and woofer are significantly larger.
This means it provides more power, bass extends lower.
While the A23 midrange dome seems brilliant to me, let's not forget about the latest version of the A25 mdirange dome/cone
I don't mean to temper your enthousiasm for A23. I would love to hear them and I am sure that in specific situations A23-M could be the better solution than A25!!
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