Try and hear both in your room, it really is the only valid way, re distortion unless you sit a long way away 5m plus and play extremely loudly 95dB plus it will simply not be an issue.
Keith
Keith
The a25m is a 10".Hi, sorry to post in a 2 year-old topic but I couldn't find lots about PSI.
Happy to find people with PSI experience here.
I own a pair of PSI A17-M for about a year now. I'm very very pleased with them except for the bass area since... you know, size.
So since I'm so pleased with PSI I was starting to look at the next budget level and had my eyes on the A25-M and their 12" speaker. But at this price point I started to discover a whole new world with D&D 8c which seem to be kind of popular around here.
I read Purité Audio member on this topic stating 8Cs are better than PSIs. I have read all available reviews on forums/websites/blogs around the web about the 8Cs and as they seem quite promising I'm still struggling with buying 12k€ speakers with such high THD numbers.
Also my domestic dedicated room has treated acoustics for >200hz but not bass.
So... I'm having a hard time finding my path. I know 8Cs will be able to offer my a nice phase linearity just like the PSIs. I guess the PSIs will be far better in the THD domain, but the 8Cs may offer a more neutral sound due to DSP-based calibration (especially in the bass domain).
Has anyone struggled with the same dilemma than me here?
I read 11.4"
This in particular is a whole other topic, as it was my experience as well to treat my room and absorb a lot of decay below 150Hz. Adding more bass with new speakers will not solve it, in fact quite the opposite, it will make it more explicit.Also my domestic dedicated room has treated acoustics for >200hz but not bass.
So... I'm having a hard time finding my path.
But aren't 8Cs supposed to reduce that bass issue in untreated rooms thanks to the calibration and specific woofers' part conception?This in particular is a whole other topic, as it was my experience as well to treat my room and absorb a lot of decay below 150Hz. Adding more bass with new speakers will not solve it, in fact quite the opposite, it will make it more explicit.
This here may help.
Neumann KH310 in a small room (+subs, MA1, absorbers, AVAA)
Hello, I would like to share my experience of how the Neumann KH310 behaves in a small room and what measures have improved the acoustics for me. I thought it might be interesting for others, since the KH310 has been reviewed and measured and the predominantly neutral characteristics are well...www.audiosciencereview.com
You right. For the external. But the surface is 210mm /9".I read 11.4"
And the 8.3" diaphragm matches the diaph from my 12" subwoofer.
I did consider PSI powered speakers and other high end pro models two years ago. I ended up getting a pair of Genelec 8351B’s. I think, one of the most advanced speakers one can buy today. Once calibrated, to my ears, they sound as perfect as I ever got in my home after 20 years of poursuit.Hi, sorry to post in a 2 year-old topic but I couldn't find lots about PSI.
Happy to find people with PSI experience here.
I own a pair of PSI A17-M for about a year now. I'm very very pleased with them except for the bass area since... you know, size.
So since I'm so pleased with PSI I was starting to look at the next budget level and had my eyes on the A25-M and their 12" speaker. But at this price point I started to discover a whole new world with D&D 8c which seem to be kind of popular around here.
I read Purité Audio member on this topic stating 8Cs are better than PSIs. I have read all available reviews on forums/websites/blogs around the web about the 8Cs and as they seem quite promising I'm still struggling with buying 12k€ speakers with such high THD numbers.
Also my domestic dedicated room has treated acoustics for >200hz but not bass.
So... I'm having a hard time finding my path. I know 8Cs will be able to offer my a nice phase linearity just like the PSIs. I guess the PSIs will be far better in the THD domain, but the 8Cs may offer a more neutral sound due to DSP-based calibration (especially in the bass domain).
Has anyone struggled with the same dilemma than me here?
Check your SPLs and maybe you'll stay in the region of "acceptable THD".I'm still struggling with buying 12k€ speakers with such high THD numbers.
So, IMO you'd better improve bass first than invest a lot into system that will be limited by room.my domestic dedicated room has treated acoustics for >200hz but not bass
Not much, I'd say. Even new generation of A25. Just print out their datasheet (at 90 Db/m) and erin's tests, and "overlay" them at least at hand.I guess the PSIs will be far better in the THD domain
DSP-based calibration is not a perfect solution and some bass domain issues really need some physical actions.may offer a more neutral sound due to DSP-based calibration (especially in the bass domain)
I have yet to see someone with cardioid bass say it fixed their room issues instead of the hard way of measuring, treating, remeasuring, tweaking, etc.But aren't 8Cs supposed to reduce that bass issue in untreated rooms thanks to the calibration and specific woofers' part conception?
They do, adjustable bass output, and 24 PEQ filters alongside sub/bass/mid/ tone controls.But aren't 8Cs supposed to reduce that bass issue in untreated rooms thanks to the calibration and specific woofers' part conception?
I would just recommend to buy a PSI subwoofer : you just have to find good positions in the room and adjust level.I own a pair of PSI A17-M for about a year now. I'm very very pleased with them except for the bass area since... you know, size.
....Also my domestic dedicated room has treated acoustics for >200hz but not bass.
Actually, if you need/have some form of DRC crossover, it's more kind of expensive joke than subwoofer.I would just recommend to buy a PSI subwoofer
I have yet to see someone with cardioid bass say it fixed their room issues instead of the hard way of measuring, treating, remeasuring, tweaking, etc.
8C isn't a cardioid in the lower bass but from what I have read Kii Three is.imo cardioid bass is very valuable in most situations. unfortunatley there are not much cardioid bass speakers available, that i am aware of. actually Geithain is the only one i know as even the Kii Three is not a true (full range) cardioid.
Dutch & Dutch 8C does not have cardioid bass if i understanding correctly, but cardioid mid/lowmid-range. it love its full bass though
Actually, they have developed small dome mid specially for A23.It seems they've semi-recently updated to a dome mid from the former cone mid
I have a paid of A23.
It's the most advanced speaker from PSI.
Even the new A25 is not as good as the A23