Thanks. Everything is said then I guess.
I'll just move this to a more appropriate thread. Been covered too many times.
Thanks. Everything is said then I guess.
Matching levels with SPL meter was probably not accurate enough. Would you describe your matching procedure?Yes, it is a myth. Just now I have a Topping D30 Pro here next to a brand new S.M.S.L M500 mk III and they couldn't sound more different. The Topping is much punchier, faster. Compared to it the S.M.S.L sounds thin and boring. Not small differences but very obvious. I'm not a bass head at all, but the S.M.S.L just cannot deliver. I had even hooked up one DAC to the left speaker, the other one to the right speaker and I made sure levels are the same (SPL meter). The S.M.S.L just sounded thin, flat and unnatural compared to the Topping. The sound overall was very unbalanced using different DACs for both channels.
I really wonder if people just repeat what other people here say ("DACs all sound the same") or if they ever actually do comparisons. I don't believe they do. And I just said it in another thread, but a DAC (device) is much more than just a converter chip. The ignorance in this forum sometimes is really upsetting.
Yes. Both (depends on the music and the quality of the whisky)Do you also find analogue to be more emotional? Is it a sad or happy emotion?
We should be more polite here, but we live in a world of silver-tongued snake-oil salesmen who will literally say anything to clinch the sale. It makes one cynical./sarcasm aside, I do not understand why objectivism have to be so agressive.
I even gave the S.M.S.L a good boost in the end and it was noticable louder than the Topping. Still it sounded not as punchy or powerful.Matching levels with SPL meter was probably not accurate enough. Would you describe your matching procedure?
As the target of the line, I concur with it. The question was whether analogue playback has a constant emotion compared to digital, and it doesn't.Yes. Both (depends on the music and the quality of the whisky)
I can even DBT this anytíme but you have to provide the place & accommodation. Including lots of quality tissues cause crying with my eyes closed would be tough
/sarcasm aside, I do not understand why objectivism has to be so agressive.
Not sure about the emotions in the 1kHz test but I'd bet the headache will be very strong (even without whisky).As the target of the line, I concur with it. The question was whether analogue playback has a constant emotion compared to digital, and it doesn't.
To put it another way, if you listened to an LP and a digital player playing a 1kHz sine wave, would the LP playback give you more emotion? If not, there is nothing intrinsic about it, no matter how much whisky is involved.
And if someone makes the point assertively (it wasn't aggressive, maybe a bit sarcastic), nothing wrong there.
But I don't see how that test could possibly be considered blind.I even gave the S.M.S.L a good boost in the end and it was noticable louder than the Topping. Still it sounded not as punchy or powerful.
It's pretty simple how I level matched the two: I put my SPL meter right in-between the speakers and left it in that position. Then I played test tones 1kHz, 2kHz and a few more (just to make sure) with both DACs. For example both DACs delivered the same SPL (+- 0.5dB) when set to -16dB. And no, even if the Topping was 0.5dB louder it doesn't explain the huge differences (even when I played the S.M.S.L louder on purpose).
I'm not saying my comparison was perfectly done, but the differences were obvious. I read here on ASR "If you hear differences then prove it". Yet I haven't found a single prove here that those that claim that there are no audible differences are right. Amir could do it. People would believe what he says. "Prove it!" should go for both sides.
I went back and read all of your posts in this thread.I even gave the S.M.S.L a good boost in the end and it was noticable louder than the Topping. Still it sounded not as punchy or powerful.
It's pretty simple how I level matched the two: I put my SPL meter right in-between the speakers and left it in that position. Then I played test tones 1kHz, 2kHz and a few more (just to make sure) with both DACs. For example both DACs delivered the same SPL (+- 0.5dB) when set to -16dB. And no, even if the Topping was 0.5dB louder it doesn't explain the huge differences (even when I played the S.M.S.L louder on purpose).
I'm not saying my comparison was perfectly done, but the differences were obvious. I read here on ASR "If you hear differences then prove it". Yet I haven't found a single prove here that those that claim that there are no audible differences are right. Amir could do it. People would believe what he says. "Prove it!" should go for both sides.
You are not the best judge of emotions if you thought that post was aggressive. If you want to see aggressive, go over to head-fi and mearly *suggest* that peoples' impressions of equipment can be subject to visual bias.Yes. Both (depends on the music and the quality of the whisky)
I can even DBT this anytíme but you have to provide the place & accommodation. Including lots of quality tissues cause crying with my eyes closed would be tough
/sarcasm aside, I do not understand why objectivism has to be so agressive.
It's something that can be measured but why place so much emphasis on it if it cannot be heard?
That's the problem - invoking our version of Hitchen's Razor, the ASR razor: Extraordinary claims require significant evidence.Again I've even recently had a thread asking we not throw a blind test challenge toward posters everytime they post something unlikely
Or at least that you are policing people's comments. Certainly I must come off that way. The reality is some are trolls, and some really don't know better, having never encountered rigorous skepticism on this subject before, and it can initially be hard to tell.It's definitely really difficult not to sound like a self-righteousness prick, when trying to get to the bottom of things.
Luckily, the bad trolls can't resist telling us how low-brow and ignorant we are.Or at least that you are policing people's comments. Certainly I must come off that way. The reality is some are trolls, and some really don't know better, having never encountered rigorous skepticism on this subject before, and it can initially be hard to tell.
you'll be banned on head-fi for even writing "DBT" once. So what? Not sure what else do you expect from a site ran by audio-advertising money.If you want to see aggressive, go over to head-fi and mearly *suggest* that peoples' impressions of equipment can be subject to visual bias.
That's my perception, although it must not always be the case.you'll be banned on head-fi for even writing "DBT" once. So what? Not sure what else do you expect from a site ran by audio-advertising money.
A 'beautiful' ear-for-ear game this one: you get banned on subjective sites like headfi/etc and come here to "kick subjective ass". How's that useful to anyone?