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Klipsch RP-600M Speaker Review

Searched and couldn’t find a definite answer, apologies if I missed it. I’ve heard both that this speaker takes well to EQ to directivity, but also that the crossover issue can’t be EQ’d due to phase issues. Does anyone have measurements to confirm one way or the other? Even a simple in-room measurement would be fine I think - just to confirm that boosting that range would have the desired result.
Yea, i went through the whole pages of the thread but couldn't find them. It was a fun read though.
I have a very similar curve, kindly posted here by another member. In my setup they are extremely toed in and have some dynamat type of insulation for the boxes and the brackets of the drivers.
I can surely say that there is day and night with EQ (by ear) at that range. But i ll haven't been able to measure the response with EQ and i can't promise i will, anytime soon.
In an LCR setup with a Dynaudio Center, they are playing very nice though.
 
I just bring the treble down and adjust the dip in the middle to make that downward diagonal. Everything 2k and over just sounds hot, hotter than most tweeters to me anyway. I dunno if it's the horn projection or what. I couldn't listen to these if they were linear anyway. That said, I love the speaker personally but MUST have eq.
 
hi all, i saw the RP600M going on sale for $300-$350 per pair. But thank you for posting the measurements I'm glad i did not make the same mistake twice. I currently have the rp150m and i used them for lil over 2 years, there a good starter speaker from music and movies in a small room, but i wanted a fuller sound and decided to get a German designed and engineered speaker but built in china. even tho their budget speakers they sounded warmer, controlled, laid back and didn't distort at high volume like the 150m. so I be selling the 150m along with the center speaker 250c, and soon after im going to replace my rp280f in the living room. HECO is what I plan to go with or at least plan save for some ascend acoustic. what i really want is Bentley acoustics but they don't ship over seas.
 

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Hi, I got myself a pair of these and I noticed that the baffles on both of them were mounted pretty crooked. On the top right and bottom left the distance between the baffle and the rest of the speaker is about half a millimeter greater, compared to the top left and bottom right. Also the distance between baffle and right flank measures roughly 0.4mm more compared to the left flank. So I wandered if this is just annoying but normal for Klipsch, or are these especially bad?
 
Hi, I got myself a pair of these and I noticed that the baffles on both of them were mounted pretty crooked. On the top right and bottom left the distance between the baffle and the rest of the speaker is about half a millimeter greater, compared to the top left and bottom right. Also the distance between baffle and right flank measures roughly 0.4mm more compared to the left flank. So I wandered if this is just annoying but normal for Klipsch, or are these especially bad?
"roughly .4mm" lol! Roughly eh? Got a photo?
 
Nah, I just boxed them up again. In the end there was just too much wrong with them. Due to the bad measurements one had a massive wobble when put on a flat surface. But I can give you my measurements. Measured with a caliper but of course no lab standard due to awkward ergonomics.

0.50 1.16 Top
0.43 0.86 Upper Flank

0.32 0.71 Lower Flank
0.69 0.31 Bottom
 
Nah, I just boxed them up again. In the end there was just too much wrong with them. Due to the bad measurements one had a massive wobble when put on a flat surface. But I can give you my measurements. Measured with a caliper but of course no lab standard due to awkward ergonomics.

0.50 1.16 Top
0.43 0.86 Upper Flank

0.32 0.71 Lower Flank
0.69 0.31 Bottom
Yeah, something really wrong with those especially if they wabbled on a flat surface.
 
Yeah I figured as much. Just wasn't sure how much crap Klipsch customers are expected to put up with these days. Will instead go with Elacs DBR 62. They should suit my listening preferences better anyway.
 
Hmm it seems that you can get the pair (like new) for $300. With wiim amp 10 bands peq, can this be a good budget candidate? $600 will get you a 6.6 system...
 
Klipsch dot com is currently selling a pair of Klipsch RP-600M loudspeakers in Piano Black for $249.00

 
Just found this review by accident and I got a question regarding the dip and directivity in general.

If dip in FR AND same dip in directivity, would EQ balance out FR AND directivity?

Or does the directivity need to not have this dip so we can eq-fix a FR dip in the first place?
 
If dip in FR AND same dip in directivity, would EQ balance out FR AND directivity?
No. EQ won't change the directivity. It will, however change all the polar responses if that's what you meant (if the same dip exists in all the horizontal measurements, for example, fixing it on axis will fix all those as well).
Or does the directivity need to not have this dip so we can eq-fix a FR dip in the first place?
Yes--at least to fix it well. However, one needs to look at the horizontal and vertical separately. This speaker has excellent directivity through that dip horizontally (vastly more important) but the same issue vertically that most 2-ways will have (if not concentric).

Fixing that dip with EQ anechoically will vastly improve the sound, flattening out your direct sound as well as all the horizontal reflections. This will still leave you with a much smaller dip there in-room (due to vertical reflections), and I'd suggest leaving that alone.
 
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Klipsch RP-600M Speaker Review. I purchased them from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. The current cost on Amazon is US $629 including Prime shipping. I however found a refurbished one for $450 I think. It looks brand new in the box though. "RP" stands for Reference Premier so it better do well!

As I have said in my previous reviews of Klipsch speakers, they are a genius in marketing department and that is reflected in the super nice look of RP-600M:


Beauty can be surprisingly skin deep though as one looks at the back and notices thin metal bridging the somewhat crude terminals:

Wish they had put in just one set of better quality binding posts. It does the job though.

The RP-600M is super popular with tons of bloggers giving it praise mixed with other wording that one cannot make sense out of. Stereophile also reviewed it and Herb Reichert had this to say about their sound:

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Vibrantly present? We will see about that. :) JA had this to say about the measurements:

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Interesting that these aspects would translate into what Herb had to say.

Measurements that you are about to see were performed using the Klippel Near-field Scanner (NFS). This is a robotic measurement system that analyzes the speaker all around and is able (using advanced mathematics and dual scan) to subtract room reflections (so where I measure it doesn't matter). It also measures the speaker at close distance ("near-field") which sharply reduces the impact of room noise. Both of these factors enable testing in ordinary rooms yet results that can be more accurate than anechoic chamber. In a nutshell, the measurements show the actual sound coming out of the speaker independent of the room.

All measurements are reference to tweeter axis with the grill removed. Frequency resolution is 2.7 Hz. Over 1000 measurement points were used to assure high precision in higher frequencies.

Spinorama Audio Measurements
Acoustic measurements can be grouped in a way that can be perceptually analyzed to determine how good a speaker can be used. This so called spinorama shows us just about everything we need to know about the speaker with respect to tonality and some flaws:

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Good grief. Look at how the two drivers are crossed with that giant dip. It seems to me this is on-purpose as all they had to do was to set the crossover frequencies a bit different and the hole would not be this deep. They must think what sells is bass and treble, and damn everything else in the middle.

Directivity (on and off-axis similarity) looks very good though. In theory then, that dip would be one we can fill in with equalization.

This would not be a Klipsch speaker without some terrible peaking although the amount is rather mild here compared to what they could do. Likewise, they publish fantasy stories about sensitivity. As I note, in bass frequencies where you need sensitivity, you still need tons of power. But maybe the highs bother you so much you won't want to turn it up that much!

Predicted in-room response tells us what we already (for good and bad);
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Because on and off-axis response is similar, we get the same shape graph as our spinorama on-axis with a bit of tilt down which we can all appreciate.

Early reflections all have the same dip as noted repeatedly:

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On many speakers, on-axis is flat in this region and it is off-axis that causes the dip. Here all axis have the same hole.

Impedance predictably dips a lot lower than Klipsch lets on:

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Distortion shows that the woofer is starting to suffer before it is retired by the tweeter:

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So maybe that is the reason for not pulling its response up higher? Nah. They wanted this kind of response.

I let you hunt around for resonances in the waterfall:

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Story is already told on directivity but here are the pretty graphs anyway:

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Speaker Listening Test
For those of you bothered by these remarks, please skip to the conclusions. Don't want you to suffer needlessly....

I powered the Klipsch RP-600M using my main system (amplification 1000+ watts). I was expecting bad sound but man, this is really, really bad sound. No detail. Muddy bass and somewhat but not extremely bright. I dial in my room mode bass correction and that helps a tiny bit but suffering continues as I go to track after track.

Testing the theory that the crossover dip can be repaired with EQ, I dialed that in using Roon parametric EQ. And while I was at it, I pulled down the extreme highs as well. This is the end result:

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The yellow filter above fixing the hole was stunning! It transformed the speaker into a completely different device. Back was the detail, and beautiful vocals. Our hearing is the most sensitive in 2 to 5 kHz so you don't want a speaker pull down that area or you lose detail. There was a trade off in making the sound a bit bright if you push the Gain higher. Still, it sounded good up to 5+ dB of boost.

The roll off was mostly good but too crude.

Normally I don't suggest letting automated room EQ fix the speaker but in this case, I would let it beat it into shape.

My quick fixes were good enough for me to sit there and want to enjoy some tracks of music! I pity on people who buy this speaker with no means of EQ.

Conclusions
Out of the box, the Klipsch RP-600M throws out the rule book, thinking that if you just sold boosted lows and highs and leaving mids behind is a good idea. It is not. Objective and subjective testing shows this to be a horrible choice ranking the speaker as one of the worst I have tested. Dial in some simple EQ though and the speaker transforms into a beauty. The "horn" is actually not a horn but a waveguide that is doing its job to provide uniform off-axis response allowing one to EQ the mid-range dip.

Since I have to score the speaker as designed, it gets my worst rating of "stay away." If you have ability to EQ, and you better do if you are hanging around this forum, then you have a good offering.

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Hi there. Thanks for the bulk of information. Is it possible to recieve the scematics of the original crossover filter of these speakers?
 
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