It's Settled

[MAB]

Never cared much about Spector's work.

Yeah. Plus people seem to have no idea what you meant when you mentioned wall of sound.

This thread is a dumpster of confusion. Now we have people able to hear hiss below the noise floor of a heavily treated room. And apparently manufacturers of studio gear no longer support their equipment. It’s either complete misinterpretation of one Genelec model’s performance, or anecdotes from active deniers, no room left for reason.

At one point this was a measurement forum somewhat grounded in fact.

 

[Chrispy]

Yeah. Plus people seem to have no idea what you meant when you mentioned wall of sound.

This thread is a dumpster of confusion. Now we have people able to hear hiss below the noise floor of a heavily treated room. And apparently manufacturers of studio gear no longer support their equipment. It’s either complete misinterpretation of one Genelec model’s performance, or anecdotes from active deniers, no room left for reason.

At one point this was a measurement forum somewhat grounded in fact.

Yep many don't understand the reference it seems. Amir's recommendations are to be taken with some humor I think....he has some odd opinions in that sense.

 

[Esprit]

You didn't read correctly, I wouldn't take it as a gift if I had to listen to music all the time. I would sell it or use it for the studio

I also listen to many different types of music and for the month of trial I used them for many hours every day even watching films in the evening.
I even listened to them at high volume.
Obviously I used GML because it is one of the important features for me, that is, being able to correct the acoustics of my environment without having to use a Mac/OC and I used them by connecting them in AES/EBU to an RME.
If there is nothing better at €10,000, when the time comes, I will buy them.
Good day

P.S. In my own small way, I am "old", after decades of traditional passive speakers and having switched over the last decade to amplified pro monitors (Adam Audio) I have no intention of going back.
If I had the money I would buy the 8381 tomorrow morning without worrying at all about aesthetics...

 

[Roland68]

I also listen to many different types of music and for the month of trial I used them for many hours every day even watching films in the evening.
I even listened to them at high volume.
Obviously I used GML because it is one of the important features for me, that is, being able to correct the acoustics of my environment without having to use a Mac/OC and I used them by connecting them in AES/EBU to an RME.
If there is nothing better at €10,000, when the time comes, I will buy them.
Good day

P.S. In my own small way, I am "old", after decades of traditional passive speakers and having switched over the last decade to amplified pro monitors (Adam Audio) I have no intention of going back.
If I had the money I would buy the 8381 tomorrow morning without worrying at all about aesthetics...

That's perfectly fine if it's the best solution for you.
It doesn't have to be that way for me or others.
Everyone should be happy with the speaker they like best. And that's why I think the OP's statement... no matter how I would phrase it, it would be insulting.

What should we think when someone expresses their opinion as if theirs is the only right one, and everyone who buys something else in the same price range or more is therefore part of the "pointless club".

 

[EJ3]

That's perfectly fine if it's the best solution for you.
It doesn't have to be that way for me or others.
Everyone should be happy with the speaker they like best. And that's why I think the OP's statement... no matter how I would phrase it, it would be insulting.

What should we think when someone expresses their opinion as if theirs is the only right one, and everyone who buys something else in the same price range or more is therefore part of the "pointless club".

They don't want to know my answer, that's for sure.

 

[Roland68]

They don't want to know my answer, that's for sure.

Answer to what?
And if you are so sure, then you are definitely wrong.

 

[Esprit]

It doesn't have to be that way for me or others.

Where did I write that what's good for me must be good for you too?
You're the one who wrote that you don't even want it as a gift.
Have a nice day, I'll move on.
Auf Wiedersehen.

 

[Roland68]

Where did I write that what's good for me must be good for you too?
You're the one who wrote that you don't even want it as a gift.
Have a nice day, I'll move on.
Auf Wiedersehen.

I think you just don't understand me.
What you quoted was meant in general and was mainly related to the provocative #1 in this thread.

This speaker is simply not for me to listen to music for my own enjoyment. Anyone who takes this statement personally and sees it as an affront should ask themselves why?
I don't mean it personally or offensively and I certainly don't mean it as a disparagement of a person or the speaker. If someone sees it that way, that's an interpretation that has no reality.

And to say it for the third time, I think this monitor is very good for the studio.

 

[Purité Audio]

I have never understood why you wouldn’t want a transparent speaker for home and studio, I do not find a coloured mess at all relaxing.
Keith

 

[antcollinet]

Mike??

Mike who?

 

[Lux_ury]

If you have the file (and depending on size... 9.5" / 250mm max on a side) I could probably get that done no problem, I just designed and printed a vaguely similar object to hold the filament reel for my own printer:
View attachment 385966

Above my technical paygrade, aesthetically I like the structure it reminds me of bio organic structures you find in bone structure. Sonically I have no idea if would be ideal, anything raised at the right ear level is going to help. Maybe do a prototype and see if anyone is interested?

 

[kemmler3D]

Above my technical paygrade, aesthetically I like the structure it reminds me of bio organic structures you find in bone structure. Sonically I have no idea if would be ideal, anything raised at the right ear level is going to help. Maybe do a prototype and see if anyone is interested?

Already got plenty to do without trying to design speaker stands, but if you wanted a couple printed I could whip them up, just would need the STL / STP file for it. Sonically they would probably be about the same as any other stand, isolation for the desk isn't as big a deal as people often make it out to be.

 

[terryforsythe]

Nobody I know wants powered speakers. Noisy piles of money that you
won't be able to get parts for in 10 years.

Getting parts down the road may be an issue. I have a Velodyne subwoofer. After about 5 years or so the plate amplifier started making noise. I had the subwoofer repaired back in 2004 - the plate amplifier was replaced with a newer version. It has been working great since then, which has been nearly 20 years.

I have a pair of KEF LS60 speakers. I can hear a little noise if I put my ear right next to the concentric driver, but not 1m away. Overall, I am very pleased with them. With progress that continues to be made with active electronics (e.g., by Hypex and Purify), I suspect powered speakers will continue to get better.

I have a pair of Elac Uni-Fi reference speakers that I modified by removing the passive crossovers, along with several modifications to the inside of the cabinets. I now am driving those with a Hypex Nilai for the woofers and two topping LA90D amplifiers (one for each speaker to drive the midrange and tweeter). I use a miniDSP Flex HTx for the active crossovers and PEQ. There is no noise whatsoever, even when I put my ear right next to the concentric drivers - audibly they are completely silent.

Eliminating the passive crossovers and going all active provides numerous advantages:

1. Much greater control over the crossover slopes, crossover topologies and phase alignment between drivers, as well as the ability to tune those parameters.
2. Much better bass due to the improved damping factor that results from removing the passive crossovers.
3. Lower power losses.
4. Better dynamics - probably due to a combination of the above.

After hearing the improvements from upgrading my Elacs to be all active, which are significant, I doubt I will ever again use speakers with passive crossovers.

The benefit of my modified Elacs over my KEFs is that all of the electronics are external. If an amplifier fails and I cannot fix it, I can just replace it.

If the electronics in my KEFs ever fail after they are out of warranty, and if for some reason they are not repairable at that time, I'll probably just replace the electronics with something external.

 

[Lux_ury]

Already got plenty to do without trying to design speaker stands, but if you wanted a couple printed I could whip them up, just would need the STL / STP file for it. Sonically they would probably be about the same as any other stand, isolation for the desk isn't as big a deal as people often make it out to be.

Appreciate the offer I wouldn't know how to help designing or the raw materials involved except the reel of polymer filaments needed.
Have no clue about STL/STP files? Guessing it's like CNC instructions
I'm over the pond postage would probably still be more than the actual stand.
Shame I view it as art pieces more than anything else tbf.

 

[kemmler3D]

Have no clue about STL/STP files? Guessing it's like CNC instructions

Sort of, the "slicer" turns the STL / STP file into CNC instructions (called "g code")

I am sure you could find someone to design / build stands like that for you, lots of hobbyist industrial designer types with 3D printers out there, but agree that shipping from CA across the atlantic would easily outstrip the cost.

 

[EJ3]

Answer to what?
And if you are so sure, then you are definitely wrong.

Answer to saying that it is settled and that the Genelec whatever is it. Perhaps for them it is.
But I have vastly different opinions.
And not one of them include any Genelec as being the correct speaker for me, even if they were gifted to me (I guess that I would find a use for them out of politeness but it sure would not be in my main system).
And I am sure that I am definitely not wrong on this for me.

 

[EJ3]

MUON

A triumph of form marrying function, MUON is perhaps the most extraordinary loudspeaker ever conceived. MUON is the result of KEF engineering prowess combining with world-class industrial design by Ross Lovegrove. The Muon is limited to an edition of 100 pair. ENQUIRY WHERE TO BUY

us.kef.com

Uhm, just another "FUGLY" speaker to me.

 

[terryforsythe]

Uhm, just another "FUGLY" speaker to me.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. They wouldn't work in my house, but in a very large room that uses modern style for the structure and motif, I can see them being a good fit.

 

[EasyC]

Or: they are just FUGLY and don't fit in.

There’s a lot of negativity towards the design of Genelec speakers. It’s just a matter of taste of course, but I find their designs (80’s series and the ones) really beautiful. Form follows function and all, with exceptional build quality.

I’m really bored with the wooden furniture style cabinets. There are some that supposed to sound great, like the Wharfedale Linton, but for me a speaker is not furniture, it’s a piece of equipment. Those wooden boxes with some cloth on one side are really something from the past.

For me the difference is something like these 2 picture’s- where the Arne Jacobsen seat is the Genelec.

 

[Greenman]

There’s a lot of negativity towards the design of Genelec speakers. It’s just a matter of taste of course, but I find their designs (80’s series and the ones) really beautiful. Form follows function and all, with exceptional build quality.

I’m really bored with the wooden furniture style cabinets. There are some that supposed to sound great, like the Wharfedale Linton, but for me a speaker is not furniture, it’s a piece of equipment. Those wooden boxes with some cloth on one side are really something from the past.

For me the difference is something like these 2 picture’s- where the Arne Jacobsen seat is the Genelec.

Clearly it is subjective to a large degree, however most seem to think (me included) they that have a look only a mother could love, ok for a studio (which really is what they were designed for) but not your average lounge. Now you can do modern and still make beautiful speakers e.g. Kef Blade, I don’t really think Genelec think they are in this marketplace though.