It's Settled

[EJ3]

it's not a genelec

Ahh, then get the Genelec of your hearts desire.

 

[Lux_ury]

On another note these stands are great can someone fireup there printer for me?

 

[EJ3]

I don’t think Amir has tested more than 1% of the total speaker market, so your logic is somewhat flawed.

"somewhat" in this case, is a severe understatement, I believe.

 

[EJ3]

Hmm... I'm not sure that in speakers there is a best in the absolute sense. There's no doubt that there is a speaker or maybe more than one that measures best in a given space. That doesn't mean that people, even sophisticated, trained listeners. might not have personal preferences that don't agree with the measurements. There may be particular environments where the speaker that measures best performs poorly. The good thing about measurements is that they provide a reliable, repeatable, objective standard of performance under standardized conditions. Measurements are a decision support tool.

Or: they are just FUGLY and don't fit in.

 

[kemmler3D]

On another note these stands are great can someone fireup there printer for me?View attachment 385958

If you have the file (and depending on size... 9.5" / 250mm max on a side) I could probably get that done no problem, I just designed and printed a vaguely similar object to hold the filament reel for my own printer:

As for why there is no perfect / best speaker, I wanted to get more specific about that for the sake of discussion here. Even if we all agreed on a flat on-axis response and a certain slope for the predicted in-room response (not everyone does, but what if we did)... there is still no way to declare a final and "best" speaker.

1. Wide vs. narrow dispersion: There is debate even among the most prominent experts on how wide or narrow dispersion should be from a good speaker. As far as I know it boils down to preference for a "high-envelopment" / "they are there" stereo image vs. precise "you are there" stereo image. (thanks @Emlin )

2. Trade-offs: Some people might want higher SPL or larger drivers for the sake of tactility, others might prioritize lower distortion instead, others might care about audible noise more. Some people LIKE having more distortion or prefer different distortion characteristics in their speakers (e.g. silk vs. aluminum dome tweeters). This is a matter of preference.

3. Aesthetics: Let's not pretend looks don't matter. It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. Danley speakers measure as well or better than many Genelecs but almost nobody wants them in their living room, even Genelecs are prettier...

These are factors that can't be resolved objectively, you simply have to know what you like, and not everyone likes the same things.

 

[antcollinet]

To drive home the point. None of this music will sound as good on your system as my 8361a. Cope.

This is only heading on one direction - let's see if I'm right by the time I reach the end of the thread.

 

[Salt]

This is only heading on one direction - let's see if I'm right by the time I reach the end of the thread.

Wasn't it to the end at it's beginning?

 

[Emlin]

If you have the file (and depending on size... 9.5" / 250mm max on a side) I could probably get that done no problem, I just designed and printed a vaguely similar object to hold the filament reel for my own printer:
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1. Wide vs. narrow dispersion: There is debate even among the most prominent experts on how wide or narrow dispersion should be from a good speaker. As far as I know it boils down to preference for a "high-envelopment" / "you are there" stereo image vs. precise "they are here" stereo image.

I think that you have that the wrong way round. High envelopment, to me at least, means that the room's acoustics are swamping the recorded signal, giving a "they are here" experience.

Whereas precise imaging happens when you are actually hearing the acoustic of the recording (however produced), giving the "you are there" experience.

 

[Todd k]

Or are $10K of stand mounts good enough?

I got my used revel salons 2 used in excellent condition for 9g. Very happy

 

[ryanosaur]

What an odd thread... glad it's finally settled though.

nope. still going.

 

[Mr. Widget]

nope. still going.

Can't fault a guy for trying to be an optimist.

 

[Bleedingears]

Is this an AI encounter?

 

[kemmler3D]

I think that you have that the wrong way round. High envelopment, to me at least, means that the room's acoustics are swamping the recorded signal, giving a "they are here" experience.

Whereas precise imaging happens when you are actually hearing the acoustic of the recording (however produced), giving the "you are there" experience.

OK, thanks, yeah I think you're right about that.

 

[terryforsythe]

I just wanted to buy the best speaker

MUON

A triumph of form marrying function, MUON is perhaps the most extraordinary loudspeaker ever conceived. MUON is the result of KEF engineering prowess combining with world-class industrial design by Ross Lovegrove. The Muon is limited to an edition of 100 pair. ENQUIRY WHERE TO BUY

us.kef.com

 

[EJ3]

Wasn't it to the end at it's beginning?

Pretty much, I was just trying to see if the middle part, like in grade school algebra, he would "show his work" as to how he came to this conclusion.

 

[JSmith]

JSmith

 

[AudioJester]

This is only heading on one direction - let's see if I'm right by the time I reach the end of the thread.

Mike??

 

[OldHvyMec]

Any more attention is wasted.

You must be kidding. That is one UGLY speaker and for the money, WAY overpriced. I've heard them a few times and EVERY time
they were noisy. No idea why, don't care why for 5K a pop.

I'm another proud member of the 1%. I have no desire for those or any other self powered speakers.

I agree 100%, but I think 1% is about 49% too low. Nobody I know wants powered speakers. Noisy piles of money that you
won't be able to get parts for in 10 years. I know at least 3 people that took back different powered speakers behind noise.
All were VERY old-school types. 60-80 years old.

Regards

 

[pderousse]

I guess we should all move in to your place.

 

[Chrispy]

Or songs that Phil Spector produced. I've always thought it added a huge amount of mud and mush to the sound.

Never cared much about Spector's work.