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I posted this originally in the thread discussing DRE issues (On the Distortion of Cirrus Logic CS431xx-Based Devices: A Comparative Review) by jkim but it was probably not the appropriate time and place to post my own personal questions and issues.
Hi everyone. I'm super new to the high-end audio world and a couple weeks ago, I didn't know what many of the terms you use were or what they meant. Resources provided by amirm as well as videos have helped me generally understand what I'm looking for but my own knowledge is so flawed and still very incomplete.
A few things about me and what I'm looking for.
I need help. I am not an expert. I don't have a Tidal or some super lossless music account. I'm what you what probably call a "filthy casual" in the audio scene but I do know what I like and what I don't like and I've settled on my audio device and setup of choice but I can't quite decide on which DAC to choose because there are so many variables and pros and cons.
I'm looking for a girl that is 1. Balanced (4.4mm jack connection), 2. has manual two-button volume controls or a volume dial, 3. portable, 4. under $60.00 (I can maybe stretch my budget to $80 dollars before tax and shipping).
I settled on the following dongles and purchased them with a 30-day return policy, sound wise, they all sound sort of the same when volume adjusted and I can't say I can easily distinguish one or the other. I do feel like bass feels a bit more energetic (warmer) on the Dawn Pro but that might placebo.
For the Dawn Pro I looked at the (Unofficial) Moon Drop Dawn Pro Balanced DAC/Headphone AMP Measurements by forum member seanyang.
For the DS2 I looked at amirm's comprehensive review with the boatloads of commentary appended to it by our forum members.
For the Sonata BHD I looked at the iXBT website at the article DAC Review TempoTec Sonata BHD: great quality for a reasonable price that forum member mc.god had referenced to and translated the headline tables and graphs here.
The TRN Black Pearl did not have rigorous third-party analysis I could cross reference anywhere and just manufacturer information.
Now, I don't have anyone to consult and I wasn't fully aware what all the measurements meant so I went full-tilt GPT and my GPT model summarised the four DACs technical performance once I fed it their manufacturer claimed performance and the more important third-party metrics:
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Rank 1: Moondrop Dawn Pro
The Moondrop Dawn Pro shows the most technically refined implementation of the CS43131 chips. Its wider frequency response (extending to 82kHz) suggests a careful analog stage design that preserves high-frequency performance beyond the audible range. The balanced implementation achieves the best SNR (131.875dB) and THD+N (0.000135%) of all four DACs. The independent measurements closely match manufacturer claims, indicating excellent quality control in the manufacturing process of the audio circuit itself. The symmetrical channel performance shows careful attention to circuit layout and grounding.
Rank 2: Fosi Audio DS2
The Fosi Audio DS2 achieves excellent performance with slightly tighter frequency response tolerance (±0.5dB vs ±1.0dB for Moondrop Dawn Pro), suggesting a more focused design approach on the audible range. Its noise floor is marginally better than the Moondrop Dawn Pro (<1μV vs 1.3μV), but its SINAD and THD+N measurements are slightly behind. The channel imbalance noted earlier (better performance on Ch1 than Ch2) indicates slightly less precise matching in the balanced implementation, keeping it from the top spot.
Rank 3: TempoTec Sonata BHD
The TempoTec Sonata BHD shows a mixed technical implementation. It achieves the best raw THD measurements (0.00006% balanced), suggesting excellent distortion control in the analog stage. However, the higher THD+N ratio indicates more noise in the implementation. The extremely flat measured frequency response (+0.00dB, -0.01dB) shows excellent precision in the analog filters. The relatively poor crosstalk performance in single-ended mode (-59.7dB vs -121.5dB balanced) suggests a design that strongly prioritized the balanced output path.
Rank 4: TRN Black Pearl
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But then I started wondering if there's any audible difference between 0.0003% THD+N (Black Pearl) and 0.000135% (unofficial Moondrop Dawn Pro results) and GPT told me realistically, no.
I was kinda set and comfy on the Black Pearl but something made me run a search for it and try to find some new info and I caught wind of the article about the flaws with these chips and the DRE technology by jkim. This issue ails the TRN Black Pearl (the dreaded Cirrus hump).
I also discovered that some users reported issues with ramp-up problems on the DS2. But it is confirmed to have no DRE issues.
I also think the Moondrop Dawn Pro has the most impressive specs but it has shit-for-brains lottery level QC / design flaws with the shell that people frequently end up warrantying or having to fix the volume buttons (or avoid using the volume buttons) and have to seal the holes in the chassis to protect from rain and elements (or tragic spills). The Dawn Pro is also the most expensive and has the most volume steps (100 versus what I was told is 90 on the Black Pearl, 60 on the DS2, and 48 (16 by 3 impedance levels) on the Sonata BHD, and the Dawn Pro is also the lightest. But I don't know if the Dawn Pro has DRE issues.
The Sonata is confirmed to have no DRE issues and is priced competitively but for five extra dollars I can get a DS2 with a 2 year warranty (and Sonata only has a 1 year warranty).
And now I'm wondering as a casual, will I even hear the DRE issues? I don't think I heard any ramp-up issues on my copy of the DS2 and its use on my desktop PC but I'll try to listen more carefully.
As for differences between DAC's, honestly, they all sound pretty much the same to me, like I don't think I can blindtest and choose one from the other.
I'm very indecisive. Any advice would be appreciated. If we can keep it under $60.00 before tax and shipping that'd be great, too.
And I apologise if this too wordy without really saying all that much, I could just use some help and my 30-day returns for all four of these DAC's are like a week away and I don't know which to pick and how to not regret my decision.
One day I want the Sonata BHD, the next I want to commit to the DS2, the next I'm like, okay, I can risk Moondrop QC and awkwardness, and I was warming up a lot to Black Pearl because it gets me 99.999% of the way there (or so it seemed) but then the DRE issue popped up and I can't be certain if it is worth buying what GPT told me is a huge engineering oversight (and DS2 having ramp-up issues it says is more blasphemous and QC issues on the Moondrop even more so). It sorta sounds like the Sonata BHD is what's left but I don't really know where is the forest and where is the trees and it's very overwhelming and intimidating as a newbie.
I didn't know what an FR curve was until a couple months ago, let alone what EQ was. Please be gentle heh... and please give your penny of thoughts. GPT sort of reinforces whatever I last tell it or ask it to "contradict."
Hi everyone. I'm super new to the high-end audio world and a couple weeks ago, I didn't know what many of the terms you use were or what they meant. Resources provided by amirm as well as videos have helped me generally understand what I'm looking for but my own knowledge is so flawed and still very incomplete.
A few things about me and what I'm looking for.
I need help. I am not an expert. I don't have a Tidal or some super lossless music account. I'm what you what probably call a "filthy casual" in the audio scene but I do know what I like and what I don't like and I've settled on my audio device and setup of choice but I can't quite decide on which DAC to choose because there are so many variables and pros and cons.
I'm looking for a girl that is 1. Balanced (4.4mm jack connection), 2. has manual two-button volume controls or a volume dial, 3. portable, 4. under $60.00 (I can maybe stretch my budget to $80 dollars before tax and shipping).
I settled on the following dongles and purchased them with a 30-day return policy, sound wise, they all sound sort of the same when volume adjusted and I can't say I can easily distinguish one or the other. I do feel like bass feels a bit more energetic (warmer) on the Dawn Pro but that might placebo.
- Moondrop Dawn Pro ($59.99 USD)
- Fosi Audio DS2 ($50.99 USD) - I got it new on sale at a reselling website
- TempoTec Sonata BHD ($45.90)
- TRN Black Pearl ($36.99)
For the Dawn Pro I looked at the (Unofficial) Moon Drop Dawn Pro Balanced DAC/Headphone AMP Measurements by forum member seanyang.
For the DS2 I looked at amirm's comprehensive review with the boatloads of commentary appended to it by our forum members.
For the Sonata BHD I looked at the iXBT website at the article DAC Review TempoTec Sonata BHD: great quality for a reasonable price that forum member mc.god had referenced to and translated the headline tables and graphs here.
The TRN Black Pearl did not have rigorous third-party analysis I could cross reference anywhere and just manufacturer information.
Now, I don't have anyone to consult and I wasn't fully aware what all the measurements meant so I went full-tilt GPT and my GPT model summarised the four DACs technical performance once I fed it their manufacturer claimed performance and the more important third-party metrics:
--
Rank 1: Moondrop Dawn Pro
- SINAD: 117.41dB (balanced)
- SNR: 131.875dB (balanced)
- THD+N: 0.000135% (balanced)
- Noise Floor: 1.3μV (balanced)
- Frequency Response: 5Hz-82kHz (±1.0dB)
The Moondrop Dawn Pro shows the most technically refined implementation of the CS43131 chips. Its wider frequency response (extending to 82kHz) suggests a careful analog stage design that preserves high-frequency performance beyond the audible range. The balanced implementation achieves the best SNR (131.875dB) and THD+N (0.000135%) of all four DACs. The independent measurements closely match manufacturer claims, indicating excellent quality control in the manufacturing process of the audio circuit itself. The symmetrical channel performance shows careful attention to circuit layout and grounding.
Rank 2: Fosi Audio DS2
- SINAD: 117.08dB (balanced), 113.96dB (single-ended)
- DNR: 128.7125dB
- THD+N: 0.0001405% (balanced), 0.0002015% (single-ended)
- Noise Floor: <1μV
- Frequency Response: 20Hz-20kHz (±0.5dB)
The Fosi Audio DS2 achieves excellent performance with slightly tighter frequency response tolerance (±0.5dB vs ±1.0dB for Moondrop Dawn Pro), suggesting a more focused design approach on the audible range. Its noise floor is marginally better than the Moondrop Dawn Pro (<1μV vs 1.3μV), but its SINAD and THD+N measurements are slightly behind. The channel imbalance noted earlier (better performance on Ch1 than Ch2) indicates slightly less precise matching in the balanced implementation, keeping it from the top spot.
Rank 3: TempoTec Sonata BHD
- THD: 0.00006% (balanced), 0.00014% (single-ended)
- THD+N: 0.00038% (balanced), 0.00043% (single-ended)
- Noise Floor: -124.8dB (balanced), -120.9dB (single-ended)
- Frequency Response: 0-40kHz (±0.5dB) with measured flatness of +0.00dB, -0.01dB
- Crosstalk: -121.5dB (balanced), -59.7dB (single-ended)
The TempoTec Sonata BHD shows a mixed technical implementation. It achieves the best raw THD measurements (0.00006% balanced), suggesting excellent distortion control in the analog stage. However, the higher THD+N ratio indicates more noise in the implementation. The extremely flat measured frequency response (+0.00dB, -0.01dB) shows excellent precision in the analog filters. The relatively poor crosstalk performance in single-ended mode (-59.7dB vs -121.5dB balanced) suggests a design that strongly prioritized the balanced output path.
Rank 4: TRN Black Pearl
- THD+N: -110dB @ 2Vrms (0.0003%) balanced, -105dB @ 1Vrms (0.00056%) single-ended
- SNR/DNR: 130dB (balanced), 125dB (single-ended)
- Frequency Response: Not specified
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But then I started wondering if there's any audible difference between 0.0003% THD+N (Black Pearl) and 0.000135% (unofficial Moondrop Dawn Pro results) and GPT told me realistically, no.
I was kinda set and comfy on the Black Pearl but something made me run a search for it and try to find some new info and I caught wind of the article about the flaws with these chips and the DRE technology by jkim. This issue ails the TRN Black Pearl (the dreaded Cirrus hump).
I also discovered that some users reported issues with ramp-up problems on the DS2. But it is confirmed to have no DRE issues.
I also think the Moondrop Dawn Pro has the most impressive specs but it has shit-for-brains lottery level QC / design flaws with the shell that people frequently end up warrantying or having to fix the volume buttons (or avoid using the volume buttons) and have to seal the holes in the chassis to protect from rain and elements (or tragic spills). The Dawn Pro is also the most expensive and has the most volume steps (100 versus what I was told is 90 on the Black Pearl, 60 on the DS2, and 48 (16 by 3 impedance levels) on the Sonata BHD, and the Dawn Pro is also the lightest. But I don't know if the Dawn Pro has DRE issues.
The Sonata is confirmed to have no DRE issues and is priced competitively but for five extra dollars I can get a DS2 with a 2 year warranty (and Sonata only has a 1 year warranty).
And now I'm wondering as a casual, will I even hear the DRE issues? I don't think I heard any ramp-up issues on my copy of the DS2 and its use on my desktop PC but I'll try to listen more carefully.
As for differences between DAC's, honestly, they all sound pretty much the same to me, like I don't think I can blindtest and choose one from the other.
I'm very indecisive. Any advice would be appreciated. If we can keep it under $60.00 before tax and shipping that'd be great, too.
And I apologise if this too wordy without really saying all that much, I could just use some help and my 30-day returns for all four of these DAC's are like a week away and I don't know which to pick and how to not regret my decision.
One day I want the Sonata BHD, the next I want to commit to the DS2, the next I'm like, okay, I can risk Moondrop QC and awkwardness, and I was warming up a lot to Black Pearl because it gets me 99.999% of the way there (or so it seemed) but then the DRE issue popped up and I can't be certain if it is worth buying what GPT told me is a huge engineering oversight (and DS2 having ramp-up issues it says is more blasphemous and QC issues on the Moondrop even more so). It sorta sounds like the Sonata BHD is what's left but I don't really know where is the forest and where is the trees and it's very overwhelming and intimidating as a newbie.
I didn't know what an FR curve was until a couple months ago, let alone what EQ was. Please be gentle heh... and please give your penny of thoughts. GPT sort of reinforces whatever I last tell it or ask it to "contradict."
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