Is ICONOCLAST cable a "better" cable?

[egellings]

My goof. I thought it was about interconnects.

 

[devopsprodude]

Considering almost every piece of hi-fi I have ever owned came with ''free'' interconnects I would say, "Yes", about $160 too much.

What gear have you purchased that has come with balanced interconnects?

 

[abdo123]

What gear have you purchased that has come with balanced interconnects?

Every gear with balanced inputs or outputs have a big manly 3 pin interconnect.

 

[devopsprodude]

Every gear with balanced inputs or outputs have a big manly 3 pin interconnect.

Well now I feel cheated, because none of my stuff with balanced connectors ever came with balanced cables.

 

[abdo123]

Well now I feel cheated, because none of my stuff with balanced connectors ever came with balanced cables.

You need both the male and female interconnects to make a connection. Each input / output on a gear has one of them.

 

[devopsprodude]

You need both the male and female interconnects to make a connection. Each input / output on a gear has one of them.

Looks like you are missing the most important part of what I'm saying: "cables"

 

[abdo123]

What gear have you purchased that has come with balanced interconnects?

You’re the one missing the point in this reply.

 

[devopsprodude]

You’re the one missing the point in this reply.

Interconnects are CABLES. This shouldn't need to be spelled out for you.

 

[PierreV]

Are you accusing me of setting up another account? Cables are contentious, if anyone actually listens to this interview I'd like for them to draw the conclusion that I feel as though comes from it.

Well, imho, the problem is that they aren't contentious in reality.

At this point, I don't believe we have double blind tests that offer the slightest hint that cables, when they are specced correctly (which, in practice, means an awful lot of inexpensive cables) introduce audible difference.

I repeat, we have zero objective proof of the subject at hand, even if up to one million dollars was offered for such a test by the late James Randi.

Imagine if I declared myself an authority on extra-terrestrial silver teapots - yes, there is no evidence they exist, but no evidence they don't either, so we are even with the cable question - and started selling polish for those teapots...

Also, why is there that all cable specialists who think or claim to think that cables make a difference happen to be selling cables?

 

[Dundas]

They sell a 6 foot 14 AWG power cable for $128.00 'cause the last 6 feet make a difference!

Looks like some guy from Belden got together with Blue Jeans to get in on the audiophile cable racket.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

I didn't watch the video or read all the posts but here is my take.

We, of the objective audiophile persuasion are the worst customers/market: We buy our cables as cheaply as possible and, since we are tin-eared and measurements oriented, we can't hear any difference between cables. Worse: we tend to keep our cables forever; we may even change gears, for example amp, DAC or speaker but don't ever replace the cables. We don't believe.
The audiophile market is not expanding that much or to be charitable, at a glacial pace. That also means that the audiophile cable segment growth is even slower. Time to look for new markets, especially , segments with large (>200%) profits. BJC decided that, the subjective market was right for the picking. The spiel however, had to be different: It had to align with the subjective audiophile mentality.

It will work out this way: Some influencers will receive those cables. for them, I have written a sample review. They can feel free to copy and edit. My contribution

Precise", solid, well defined soundstage, stupendous bass, but in the midrange the Iconoclast may lack a bit of "bloom", a bit cold, especially the silver-coated version. It is however good with most SS amplifiers but I would think it will even help some tube amplifiers. A Great synergy with the tendency of amplifers built around the Svetlana WM34 NOS tubes, to be a tad ripe in the midrange and loose in the bass.
Truth to be told, it was so good that I kept the review sample, in spite of my use of the Klingon m'Hara 250 wpc SS with FET-input stage Class A monoblocks . The Iconoclast , now replaces my pun'Yalta Accordion, which cost 3 times more.. My friend Platinum Ear (PE), thinks the Iconoclast is very close, but of course, not the equal, of the Vlogdost Ragnarok which cost $10,000. For its price the Iconoclast SIlver at $2400 for an 8-foot pair, is a resounding bargain

Among the influencers , one must leverage the Belden name and its world-famous immense knowledge on all things cable. One must invoke Science and find ways to highlight how those cables do measure better than the competition; even those pesky ASRists would be forced to notice the stellar measurements of those cables... Those high-SINAD chasers will have it coming...

It may not be easy. BJC has made its name on the "cable, if well constructed, makes no difference". We'll see.. and worse, we won't buy

Peace

 

[jtwrace]

Well, imho, the problem is that they aren't contentious in reality.

At this point, I don't believe we have double blind tests that offer the slightest hint that cables, when they are specced correctly (which, in practice, means an awful lot of inexpensive cables) introduce audible difference.

I repeat, we have zero objective proof of the subject at hand, even if up to one million dollars was offered for such a test by the late James Randi.

Imagine if I declared myself an authority on extra-terrestrial silver teapots - yes, there is no evidence they exist, but no evidence they don't either, so we are even with the cable question - and started selling polish for those teapots...

Also, why is there that all cable specialists who think or claim to think that cables make a difference happen to be selling cables?

You're arguing with the wrong person.

 

[scott wurcer]

All else aside, at least the specs are very good

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I wonder what the AWG equivalent is

It would be 8 or 11 gauge or so depending on if you include one way or both ways. Any arrangement of wire with these parameters will sound the same with any speaker. There have been several "hi-end" cables that were just stock Belden cable paralleled up to get what they wanted. I have used spools of it myself no need to pay more than the folks that wire buildings with it.

 

[HiFidFan]

It would be 8 or 11 gauge or so depending on if you include one way or both ways. Any arrangement of wire with these parameters will sound the same with any speaker. There have been several "hi-end" cables that were just stock Belden cable paralleled up to get what they wanted. I have used spools of it myself no need to pay more than the folks that wire buildings with it.

Sorry but i'm not understanding "one way or both ways". Thanks.

 

[scott wurcer]

Sorry but i'm not understanding "one way or both ways". Thanks.

There are two conductors, supply and return, folks are some times sloppy about that detail and quote only the resistance of one side while both are in series with the speaker. The L an C by necessity must include both.

 

[SKBubba]

8ft pair of Iconoclast speaker cable (OFC) = $1,410 on the BJC website

Wow. Will never buy from BJC again. Thanks!

 

[HiFidFan]

There are two conductors, supply and return, folks are some times sloppy about that detail and quote only the resistance of one side while both are in series with the speaker. The L an C by necessity must include both.

I'm probably testing your patience, so apologies in advance. . .

Supply and return. I'm talking about speaker cables here, so would that be the same as 'Pos' & 'Neg' pair of speaker wire?

 

[Emlin]

You can buy a pair of his BAV interconnects for $160.00, is that too much?

Yes. Way too much.

 

[scott wurcer]

I'm probably testing your patience, so apologies in advance. . .

Supply and return. I'm talking about speaker cables here, so would that be the same as 'Pos' & 'Neg' pair of speaker wire?

Right, a 10' cable has the resistance or 20' of wire.

 

[HiFidFan]

Right, a 10' cable has the resistance or 20' of wire.

Thanks!