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Interpersonal technical stuff and stubborn people that take the expert position but are not experts. This is like a Ann Flanders post!

Trying to train him, huh? So, a sort of pet project of yours to bring him in from the dark side? Some people don't need or want to see the light - they're happy in their delusions.
Yes, I figured that but he does respond well to discussions when he's having a better day. He is capable of higher order thinking and technical understanding although he chooses the snake oil stuff sometimes and at other times he's totally against other snake oils. When he comes to visit me he's tamer, listens more and asks questions. When at his pad he's all that I mentioned that is annoying. In public he varies but is more moderate. I think maybe I'll invite him over more and see what happens and see if he does moderate his behavior that in that way.
 
I have a friend that is a ranting technophile that knows little to nothing about audio electronics, audio files and what sounds good and why and he constantly rants and raves about flac files and MP3 being inferior as he listens to 50 year old crappy recordings and claims flac is so much better and look at his topping DAC sampling rate display and how it is so great. He is so unapproachable about facts and figures and rants about facts and figures that he imagines are superior. I have relegated myself to doing the, "Uhu Uhu" thing in effort and hope that the subject will simply pass by. I am near my wits end on the stuff and am becoming very annoyed at his arrogance, rudeness and persistence while using ridiculous analogies to describe electronics and software stuff. I am a polite guy that does not like confrontation and every time I attempt to state facts and figures he gets aggressive and overbearing. How is this experience for you peeps and how do you handle this sort of interpersonal rubbish? I mean we do it everyday here @ ASR but when it is in person it's a whole different dynamic and more annoying. I actually left his pad today with the excuse that I need dinner because I needed to get away. >@^_^@<

Point them to ASR. ;)

My normal response to someone who is irrational and irritating in person is "I've had all the stupid I can take today. Go away.". If they get offended and don't want to talk to me after that, I consider it a win.
 
Yes, I figured that but he does respond well to discussions when he's having a better day. He is capable of higher order thinking and technical understanding although he chooses the snake oil stuff sometimes and at other times he's totally against other snake oils. When he comes to visit me he's tamer, listens more and asks questions. When at his pad he's all that I mentioned that is annoying. In public he varies but is more moderate. I think maybe I'll invite him over more and see what happens and see if he does moderate his behavior that in that way.
A friend in need is friend indeed. Be patient truly Bipolar condition people swing back and forth very quickly. Stay calm yourself under all situations when he is excited or exorcised. Not a doctor, just someone who shared a office environment in small company with another person who we all liked but saw and were forced to deal with the issues, feeling unable to help even with diligent efforts by all. Arguments can escalate quickly and if it is a medical condition rational behavior and reason will not prevail. Constant reminder of when the conversation is getting uncomfortable will help deescalate the stuation before switch inside him trips. This whole tread is sending me back to some bad memories and hope I'm reading too much into it. Some people just have trouble admitting they are wrong or made a mistake.
 
And what is the "Uhu Uhu" thing? Do I want to know?

A very handy German glue stick.

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Also (because the OP says he's into aircraft) a fun-looking WW2 night fighter.

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I have a friend that is a ranting technophile that knows little to nothing about audio electronics, audio files and what sounds good and why and he constantly rants and raves about flac files and MP3 being inferior as he listens to 50 year old crappy recordings and claims flac is so much better and look at his topping DAC sampling rate display and how it is so great. He is so unapproachable about facts and figures and rants about facts and figures that he imagines are superior. I have relegated myself to doing the, "Uhu Uhu" thing in effort and hope that the subject will simply pass by. I am near my wits end on the stuff and am becoming very annoyed at his arrogance, rudeness and persistence while using ridiculous analogies to describe electronics and software stuff. I am a polite guy that does not like confrontation and every time I attempt to state facts and figures he gets aggressive and overbearing. How is this experience for you peeps and how do you handle this sort of interpersonal rubbish? I mean we do it everyday here @ ASR but when it is in person it's a whole different dynamic and more annoying. I actually left his pad today with the excuse that I need dinner because I needed to get away. >@^_^@<
I change the subject if the person I'm speaking with is that type, and I want to maintain the relationship.
 
I change the subject if the person I'm speaking with is that type, and I want to maintain the relationship.
I try. He slips right back into some other rant about stuff he obsesses about and then switches the conversation and flips right back into the former rant that I attempted avoiding. It's to the degree that I am seeing a obsessive-compulsive personality disorder that is uncontrolled. I try to get words in and it's pretty much always fruitless because he just talks more cynical, louder, bolder and prouder. There seems to be no way to get through. I'll sleep on it and decide what I am going to do. :D
 
If your friend has knowledge in any field, draw one:
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Start with a big word salad, waffle about one thing and the other nonsense. Make him taste his own irritation medicine he injects into you. Maybe that gives him insight. He might get the hint you give him without you having to explain. Or you need to say: There you see as you experience it now is what I experience when you waffle about technical stuff you know nothing about.
 
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Start with a big word salad, waffle about one thing and the other nonsense. Make him taste his own irritation medicine he injects into you. Maybe that gives him insight. He might get the hint you give him without you having to explain. Or you need to say: There you see as you experience it now is what I experience when you waffle about technical stuff you know nothing about.
He's a obsessive-compulsive cynic and that would feed him and give him something extra to rant about. :D Best is to not stoke his fire and go about my matters subtly, with class and not fight fire with fire.
 
He's a obsessive-compulsive cynic and that would feed him and give him something extra to rant about. :D Best is to not stoke his fire and go about my matters subtly, with class and not fight fire with fire.
But you know sometimes it just becomes too much and the lid is blown off. It boils over. I suspect you are letting off steam in this thread to prevent this lid explosion from happening with your friend. Is my amateur psychological speculation correct?
 
I try. He slips right back into some other rant about stuff he obsesses about and then switches the conversation and flips right back into the former rant that I attempted avoiding. It's to the degree that I am seeing a obsessive-compulsive personality disorder that is uncontrolled. I try to get words in and it's pretty much always fruitless because he just talks more cynical, louder, bolder and prouder. There seems to be no way to get through. I'll sleep on it and decide what I am going to do. :D
Some people enjoy being around those who dominate conversations and talk endlessly. I definitely don't. I hope your friend has other redeeming qualities that stand out. :)
 
But you know sometimes it just becomes too much and the lid is blown off. It boils over. I suspect you are letting off steam in this thread to prevent this lid explosion from happening with your friend. Is my amateur psychological speculation correct?
I am posting here in effort to see what other people think and do. I've been around a bipolar before that was hallucinating often but not a obsessive-compulsive cynic bipolar. I think the comments from other people here have helped me.
 
Why are we bothered so much when other people are irrational? And why does it matter about audio? Would we care if they were irrational about the earth being round?

I find I get fearful of people that I feel don't apply enough critical thinking to life. Why? I don't know. But conspiracy theory, subjective reviews, rhetorical debate and failure to fact check absolutely drive me crazy.

It's increasingly popular to say that truth has some contextual dependency, a post modern concept. There may be some validity to that but measurements, corroboration and peer review are still important to me. If a friend fails to apply critical thinking about audio (or wine or a flat earth), they are likely to skip it elsewhere.
 
Some people enjoy being around those who dominate conversations and talk endlessly. I definitely don't. I hope your friend has other redeeming qualities that stand out. :)
Yes, he has some qualities that are redeemable otherwise I would not have bothered. The main issue I have is that he is becoming worse, not better and I don't see any end in sight as he escalates his cynical conversations and rants. He said there is no medication according to his doctor which I doubt. The more I know him the worse it's getting and I'm becoming annoyed, irritated and stressed out because of it. I've been a good friend but I have to draw a line and not take responsibility for his stuff. (<<< Insert swear word there.) I'm really glad that I am not related to, don't have a close relationship like a room mate etc because there would be no escape route from him. As it sits we planned to ski together this winter but I'm getting to the point where I couldn't care less if I go skiing or not now. That is the issue for me. I am in a friendship with a person that is supposed to be a ski buddy sharing commuting expenses and stuff and he has a personality disorder that is coming out more with every passing day. I suppose I'll just go skiing with myself and not rely on him as he promised I could. That is the dilemma. He's not reliably consistent in his behavior and for me that's a deal breaker. C'est la vie, I learned a strong lesson about people that I don't think I'll forget soon. :D
 
The main issue I have is that he is becoming worse, not better and I don't see any end in sight as he escalates his cynical conversations and rants.
If things are getting worse, more frequent, then that's a concern. Admitting mild, but it doesn't sound mild (whatever is going on, which is likely more than one thing, even if one thing is driving the other things.)

Bipolar is complicated, even to diagnose much less treat effectively. The symptoms can be classic or subtle, some don't get low, some get angry on the upside others get really happy, some don't get very high at all. The key thing to keep in mind that the upswings, when big, feel really, really good. Empowering, aggrandizing, full of energy and ideas. It can be as addictive as any drug you can think of.

But I do have a suggestion that might help nudge your friend in a good direction.

B vitamins are helpful in mood regulation. Suggest he gets a multivitamin with lots of B complex, like Men's One a Day. Take one every day, see if that helps.

It probably won't help, but it can't hurt.

But what it will do is give him a way to focus on his issues. And let him know that if he skips days, that's a sign of a swing happening. That way he has a marker that will let him know early when a swing is happening. He will be thinking about it every day when he takes his pill. If he starts to see a pattern of skipping pills and more problematic behavior, that will also focus him on the issue more.

That might lead to more of a willingness to seek professional help, tracking the symptoms, being aware of the shifts. It might also lead to more focus on what goes on in interactions. "I skipped a couple days, I am starting to spiral up, I need to keep that in mind when I get excited about something talking with people."

For conversations, I suggest you use this as your touchstone: "Is it interfering in your life?" So, it sounds like that interferes with your job/friendship/relationships. Do you think that gets in the way of getting more out of work/family/friendships?

Assuming your friend wants better out of life, this framing can also help lead to more self reflection. Key is to frame it as the condition interfering with life, not the person/personality.

You are a good person to try to help, but as you have found, it is very hard to endure this kind of thing. Not one time, but over time the stress builds up. So if it comes to it, and you need to cut ties for your own mental health, you should say that. But also say that if he gets help, you will be ready to be back in his life. If you have to have that conversation, link it to previous talk about his condition(s) "interfering in your life".

Good luck. You'll both need it.
 
I have a friend that is a ranting technophile that knows little to nothing about audio electronics, audio files and what sounds good and why and he constantly rants and raves about flac files and MP3 being inferior as he listens to 50 year old crappy recordings and claims flac is so much better and look at his topping DAC sampling rate display and how it is so great. He is so unapproachable about facts and figures and rants about facts and figures that he imagines are superior. I have relegated myself to doing the, "Uhu Uhu" thing in effort and hope that the subject will simply pass by. I am near my wits end on the stuff and am becoming very annoyed at his arrogance, rudeness and persistence while using ridiculous analogies to describe electronics and software stuff. I am a polite guy that does not like confrontation and every time I attempt to state facts and figures he gets aggressive and overbearing. How is this experience for you peeps and how do you handle this sort of interpersonal rubbish? I mean we do it everyday here @ ASR but when it is in person it's a whole different dynamic and more annoying. I actually left his pad today with the excuse that I need dinner because I needed to get away. >@^_^@<
I'd do what my favorite bartender used to do..
Hop over the bar and punch the loudmouth a-hole out. ;)
 
I try. He slips right back into some other rant about stuff he obsesses about and then switches the conversation and flips right back into the former rant that I attempted avoiding. It's to the degree that I am seeing a obsessive-compulsive personality disorder that is uncontrolled. I try to get words in and it's pretty much always fruitless because he just talks more cynical, louder, bolder and prouder. There seems to be no way to get through. I'll sleep on it and decide what I am going to do. :D

Pick a different unrelated obsession and out obsess him. :cool:
 
I am posting here in effort to see what other people think and do. I've been around a bipolar before that was hallucinating often but not a obsessive-compulsive cynic bipolar. I think the comments from other people here have helped me.
Aha, so mental problems, or a lot of baggage your friend has. Then I don't really know how to handle it. If such a person has no self-awareness whatsoever, what can one do? If such a person does not want to listen and accept the argument, what can be done? I don't know.
 
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