ThatSoundsGood
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In all fairness, you didn't test what it sounds like having two Reclockers in the chain.............I heard that it really opens up the soundstage and only costs double.
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Innuos Phoenix USB Reclocker Review [Video]
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I think they use audiophile math, so it's one box for $4349. Two for $9,000. Three for $15k.
ThatSoundsGood
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Comes with a free set of cable lifters.
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There's no way they'll include those for free. You don’t stop milking the cow halfway through.
BeeKay
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The free ones are pre-stamped into the packaging. DIY if you will.
Want the real stuff (nano material)? You’ll find a 10% discount coupon right in the box.
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Pre-stamped? You mean insulation? No thanks, I’ll go with the nano stuff for $700. I’m not too keen on smearing my sound with floor resonances and all that..
- How can there be people out there who know what a dac does, know what a USB is and yet do not know the USB is really not part of the audio signal processing chain when all such information is freely available and easily verifiable?
- Even given that this device does what it is advertised as able to do, I see nothing in it costing anything near the price marketed. How can they mark it up by so much without it being immediately flagged as overpriced and totally unnecessary in the press?
VientoB
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Someone on another forums claims to have asked the Innuos R &D director about it:
"The PhoenixUSB does not actually reclock the audio signal that’s being transmitted via USB, it reclocks the USB communication itself. That’s why it uses a 24MHz clock and not the pair of clocks normally used on DACs (such as 22.5792 MHz for 44.1Khz and its multiples). The PhoenixUSB works with any device you connect to it. If you connect a USB drive to it and connect the PhoenixUSB to a computer, the computer will recognise the USB drive there. So what we are doing is actually cleaning another layer of noise that results from the USB communication itself, so it doesn’t affect negatively the DAC. Additionally, instead of doing a galvanic isolation on the 5V and Ground lines coming from the source, we actually replace them with the power on one of the internal linear power supplies. For DACs that power their USB interface via the USB port itself, this alone is a big improvement."
"The PhoenixUSB does not actually reclock the audio signal that’s being transmitted via USB, it reclocks the USB communication itself. That’s why it uses a 24MHz clock and not the pair of clocks normally used on DACs (such as 22.5792 MHz for 44.1Khz and its multiples). The PhoenixUSB works with any device you connect to it. If you connect a USB drive to it and connect the PhoenixUSB to a computer, the computer will recognise the USB drive there. So what we are doing is actually cleaning another layer of noise that results from the USB communication itself, so it doesn’t affect negatively the DAC. Additionally, instead of doing a galvanic isolation on the 5V and Ground lines coming from the source, we actually replace them with the power on one of the internal linear power supplies. For DACs that power their USB interface via the USB port itself, this alone is a big improvement."
He can claim what he likes. The tests and measurements, never mind the basic spec of USB connection disagree with him.
I think he is living in the audio-idiot alternative universe.
I think he is living in the audio-idiot alternative universe.
VientoB
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Just thought I'd post it hear to see what people think.
antcollinet
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And now you know.
Let him come with evidence of audible improvements that can't be achieved with an inexpensive USB isolator (if ground noise exists). We don't do story time here.
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The latest related nonsense:
"It does those things by very quietly regenerating the internet signal and correcting for the usual router limitations with better timing and power, less noise, and more precision."
"The word 'better' falls short of describing what I heard. The entire paradigm of what I thought possible from my system shifted. Old measures of transparency, vividness, and believability fell by the wayside. It was as though an omnipresent veil had lifted and I was hearing music as I had never expected to hear it through my system."
"The sound was now more recessed, as in distant, and significant detail was smeared. All in all, the sound was flatter, less lively, and surprisingly veiled."
"In this configuration, the soundstage remained recessed but the sound was clearer and considerably more colorful and dynamic."
"...sound was still a bit recessed, but the addition of the FLOW helped flesh out instrumental color and palpability."
"...every aspect of the sound became more tangible, vibrant, immediate, and filled with life."
Note the absence of the Measurements section in that review.
"It does those things by very quietly regenerating the internet signal and correcting for the usual router limitations with better timing and power, less noise, and more precision."
"The word 'better' falls short of describing what I heard. The entire paradigm of what I thought possible from my system shifted. Old measures of transparency, vividness, and believability fell by the wayside. It was as though an omnipresent veil had lifted and I was hearing music as I had never expected to hear it through my system."
"The sound was now more recessed, as in distant, and significant detail was smeared. All in all, the sound was flatter, less lively, and surprisingly veiled."
"In this configuration, the soundstage remained recessed but the sound was clearer and considerably more colorful and dynamic."
"...sound was still a bit recessed, but the addition of the FLOW helped flesh out instrumental color and palpability."
"...every aspect of the sound became more tangible, vibrant, immediate, and filled with life."
Note the absence of the Measurements section in that review.
fpitas
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Whilst overloading the reader with complete bollox(sp?)
As an exercise in something that is good for a giggle I asked chatgpt to re-write this with real humour and sarcasm. ( I hope this doesnt break any rules)
Ah yes, the device magically re-engineers digital binary data through pure witchcraft, er, packet cleansing. By completely ignoring standard networking protocols and the TCP/IP stack, it somehow translates digital ones and zeros into far more ethereal ones and zeros using a low-noise, placebo-infused power rail. Naturally, forget double-blind ABX testing or empirical measurement, as those primitive tools are for peasants. The fundamental laws of physics briefly dissolved in my listening room, rendering standard acoustic data entirely irrelevant while my cognitive baseline underwent a divine visitation from the holy ghost of audiophile confirmation bias.
Upon removing the unit, the signal path immediately suffered a catastrophic collapse into sheer acoustic degradation. The sound degenerated into what can only be described as an AM radio playing inside a wet cardboard box at the bottom of a well, proving that my ears are simply far too refined for the harsh reality of a raw, un-moisturized Ethernet signal. In this secondary setup, the band still sounded as though they were performing from the venue's parking lot across the street, though at least the imaginary colors in my head were noticeably more vibrant and dynamic.
Even with the band remaining trapped three miles behind my speakers along the soundstage vector, introducing a two-thousand-dollar snake-oil cable magically fleshed out the instruments. This conclusively proves that the financial sunk-cost fallacy possesses a very tangible, warm, and organic timbre. Ultimately, every single aspect of the music became so instantly tangible and vibrant that I fully expect my audio setup to gain sentience, file for tax-exempt status, and cure common diseases by next Tuesday.
I'm in the wrong industry. I should start a company that optimizes audio cables for Flat Earth since all the Big Globe shills only make cables for a spherical swirling of air.
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