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In my case this would seem as if I did something bad and someone grounded me to sit alone in a corner
.People are using the Genelec chart to point out ( wrongly ) that their speakers are only for desktop use.In my case this would seem as if I did something bad and someone grounded me to sit alone in a corner
Aside from joke,me distance is close to 3m,so...
In my case this would seem as if I did something bad and someone grounded me to sit alone in a corner
Aside from joke,my distance is close to 3m,so...
That's not far from reality,replace the lava with discomfort for small spaces and you get it rightOh, I see, you have a sea of lava in the middle of your listening room that is stopping you from moving closer to the speakers?
that's for direct sound dominance, so it's kind of just for the purpose that if you want to do monitoring where direct sound dominance is preferred, you go for thoses speakers at the listening distance, beyond that maybe it's more close to the in room target curve, where you enjoy music as you like without problem, just let the sound blend together and should be fine withouth directivity error.In my case this would seem as if I did something bad and someone grounded me to sit alone in a corner
Aside from joke,my distance is close to 3m,so...
does it? I assume that 8341A with >102db peak should be enough for 3m? and I think that's for a single monitor not stereo so you in reality got more headroom
Normally yes,it should be more than enough.But I'm always in the safe side and worst case scenarios so I would prefer some 6db headroom.
right, thought for me 104db peak is alreayd way louder than what I would consider sensible in apartment, or even with family members, bass is another issue but then when I wanted deep bass playing loud, some subwoofers probably is a better option.
I had 1032A’s (built 2007) I bought second-hand before my current 8361A’s. The new speakers are an improvement, but diminishing returns for sure. The 1032’s (with eq) are definitely not embarrassed by 61’s.
And again with 1-2 subs and crossover 80Hz, it should alleviate the issue...
In like in a 9x18 room (on stands, 1-2 feet near rear wall, maybe ~6 feet apart, listening position 5-6 feet away, bit of room treatment), which would be maybe small/medium, with 2 subs, let's say in a condo environment where you wouldn't want to blast the speakers/subs anyhow... I have trouble doubting that it wouldn't be a killer setup... I mean, it's kinda scary looking at the distortion graphs, but they don't seem to correlate to Armin's listening impressions.personally I do think they won't sound obviously different, maybe the coaxial models will be better as the vertical dispersion is also textbook good, but I bet it won't be by much, if budget is constrained and I need that volume, I don't think I would not opt for the older genelecs vs the SOTA ones
You are forgetting the second hand market , - how much money do you loose if you buy and own a pair of 8030c and then sell them after three years ?Reading the comments, it's really hard to put things in perspective... Lots of info to assimilate!
So yeah, for the 3 inch woofer Genelec 8010A... Looking at the figures, even if crossed over at 80Hz, does seem like 80-200 Hz would be riddled with distortion... Wow... even 400Hz is above 1%... So yeah... Hmm... I guess it's way too compromised to be a 'proper' speaker.. Especially for $700!
BUT... That's still 86dB... The listening impressions:
And again with 1-2 subs and crossover 80Hz, it should alleviate the issue...
But the question is again; for the price, could you do better? For that high end sound.
Yeah and as others have stated, diminishing returns... If you can for almost 1/2 price get a speaker which sounds almost as good, isn't that better...? Though that almost is what kills it, as 300 really isn't a lot of money in audio, add in subs to take care of the low end (bass difference becomes nearly irrelevant?), you might just end up saying; wow; although they measure similarly, that Kali does not (maybe it does?) sound [insert Armin's listening impressions] like the Genelecs...
But yeah at the end of the day, Genelecs do seem like great speakers, but, which maybe comes at a premium. Likely, at all price points, there would be very serious contenders; which would look better, maybe perform just as well or just slightly worse (or maybe even better objectively or given personal preference?), etc.. It's always that last 1-5% (diminishing returns) which ruins everything; sure instead of getting these $2000 speakers you could get these $1000 speakers which sound 95% just as good, it's just that you do really want that last 5% the $2000 speaker offers..... Hifi is pain.
and KEF did produce great speakers objectively, in both performance and look, their UniQ is really an achievementHi @GM3
I think it is great that you found speakers that provide enthusiasm. I am commenting because there were a lot of Kef Speaker mentions. I've owned Kef Ref Monitors and Home Theater Kef Refs for many years and have never been disappointed. Still feeling like you do, believing that they were the best investment to my setup. For many years they have performed and have more than justified their expense.
For some of us here, as Audiophile, we are constantly "courting" future brides for our Audio/Video equipment products. For me, I tested and listened for a long time and ran straight to the Altar for the Kef Speakers after the deals offered were too good to refuse. Today, I see the practicality of change, but being that I still love the Kef's, I am not likely to stray, I guess that could be considered "infidelity".
