Genelec Home Series (G speakers and F subwoofers)

[Trell]

Yes I’ve looked and read. It appears that it does but the package includes does not say included, yet I don’t see it as an accessory.

It’s not listed for me 8330A either but still got the feet.

You could ask Genelec and they are quite responsive.

 

[Sam Ash]

I had listened to Sonos 1 in my living room where I currently have my Genelec 8340 as LCR and 2 8330 as surround. Genelecs will anyday win over Sonos be it 8040 or G4 or 8340 or 6040R paired with subs. Genelecs have bigger drivers and will sound detailed across the entire frequency.

Thank you @Sprint - I really appreciate your response and input. I hear the Genelec One series are phenomenal speakers and in all honesty I do like the fact they are active point source speakers. The fact that are detailed across the entire frequency range is great as I am sensitive to sound resolution and prefer speakers that are a bit more on the analytical side as opposed to warm and a bit laid back. By that, I don't mean treble heavy, I just like detail resolving ability that does not fatigue the ears.

Before you bought the Generic Ones (8340 / 8330), did you compare them with other reputable speakers?

What sub or subs are you using in your setup?

Have you heard the G Series in conjunction with the F series Subs?

 

[Manmachine83]

This is an interesting thread about the Gs vs 8xxx series. I’m wondering which would be more suitable for an analog system (turntable/phono stage)? The 83xx line for instance seems perfect except that the speakers do their own a/d and d/a conversions.. wouldn’t this go against the analog nature of a vinyl system, and likewise a system including a high end DAC (triple d/a conversions)?

 

[Killingbeans]

wouldn’t this go against the analog nature of a vinyl system, and likewise a system including a high end DAC (triple d/a conversions)?

Only if you're a purist. It most likely (understatement) won't have an audible effect:

Listen and choose the 8th generation digital copy.

Each of these zip files will open into three wav files. One is labeled Reference, one is A and one is B. These are 30 second snippets of full songs. The originals were from CD so all 44.1 khz and 16 bit. Either A or B has been thru 8 generations of DA to AD copying. The other is identical...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[NiagaraPete]

This is an interesting thread about the Gs vs 8xxx series. I’m wondering which would be more suitable for an analog system (turntable/phono stage)? The 83xx line for instance seems perfect except that the speakers do their own a/d and d/a conversions.. wouldn’t this go against the analog nature of a vinyl system, and likewise a system including a high end DAC (triple d/a conversions)?

The 83XX has analog and digital in.

 

[Trell]

The 83XX has analog and digital in.

The 83XX will convert the analogue input to digital, though, but are unlikely to hear any difference between the inputs.

 

[Manmachine83]

Only if you're a purist. It most likely (understatement) won't have an audible effect:

Listen and choose the 8th generation digital copy.

Each of these zip files will open into three wav files. One is labeled Reference, one is A and one is B. These are 30 second snippets of full songs. The originals were from CD so all 44.1 khz and 16 bit. Either A or B has been thru 8 generations of DA to AD copying. The other is identical...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Thanks for this link. I will listen when I get a few minutes to do so. I will say that the test reference is 16/44 so I’m not sure how applicable is to my “splitting hairs” analog question. Cool comparison either way though.

 

[Killingbeans]

The equivalent bit depth of vinyl is what, ~12 in the best possible scenario? And you can only dream of getting anything but noise above 20KHz(?), especially after you've played the (brand new) record a few times... Anywho, there's quite a few threads here on ASR for that discussion.

(Not to start kicking the poor audibility-of-things-above-20KHz -horse again)

The things that make vinyl enjoyable are the "defects", not any supremacy, IMO. Defects that 16/44 should be able to capture more than adequately.

 

[Manmachine83]

The equivalent bit depth of vinyl is what, ~12 in the best possible scenario? And you can only dream of getting anything but noise above 20KHz(?), especially after you've played the (brand new) record a few times... Anywho, there's quite a few threads here on ASR for that discussion.

(Not to start kicking the poor audibility-of-things-above-20KHz -horse again)

The things that make vinyl enjoyable are the "defects", not any supremacy, IMO. Defects that 16/44 should be able to capture more than adequately.

This is probably true. Once the stylus has picked the information out of the groove and the phono stage has done the amplification then whatever information is present would be well within the Genelec A/D/A conversion capabilities to do convey it losslessly or without taking away from the “special sound” of vinyl.
Does that sound like correct thinking?

 

[radix]

This is probably true. Once the stylus has picked the information out of the groove and the phono stage has done the amplification then whatever information is present would be well within the Genelec A/D/A conversion capabilities to do convey it losslessly or without taking away from the “special sound” of vinyl.
Does that sound like correct thinking?

My albums sound to my ears just like albums even though I run it through a TASCAM DA-3000 (96k/24) and minidsp SHD DSP (via toslink) before going back D/A to the amp. My album recordings on the tascam sound just like playing it straight through.

I have crystal clear pops and scratches and I can hear to the music too . [that was a partly in jest]. Anyway, I do like some albums better in the analog than their cd equivalent, but that's probably nostalgia. I do find listening to an album side rather than shuffling through a streaming service is a different listening experience, but maybe I just need to turn off randomize.... Some album and 45s I cannot find in the digital world, so those of course sound way better!

 

[Killingbeans]

Does that sound like correct thinking?

Healthy/productive thinking I'd say. I'm not a big fan of using the word "correct" in that context

 

[Sam Ash]

I had listened to Sonos 1 in my living room where I currently have my Genelec 8340 as LCR and 2 8330 as surround. Genelecs will anyday win over Sonos be it 8040 or G4 or 8340 or 6040R paired with subs. Genelecs have bigger drivers and will sound detailed across the entire frequency.

@Sprint - That is very useful and interesting. By the way, have you heard the G2? - Wondering if they are about the same or better than the Sonos 1 or Era100 for that matter.

Secondly, the Gen F 2 sub looks nice from an aesthetics point of view but it's pretty pricey for a 8" sub. Having said that, I'm sure Genelec has put in effort in terms of integration.

I think the G3 with the F2 in a 2.1 configuration would be nice but wondering if anyone out there has a 2.1 setup with a pair of G2s and an F2.

 

[Sprint]

@Sprint - That is very useful and interesting. By the way, have you heard the G2? - Wondering if they are about the same or better than the Sonos 1 or Era100 for that matter.

Secondly, the Gen F 2 sub looks nice from an aesthetics point of view but it's pretty pricey for a 8" sub. Having said that, I'm sure Genelec has put in effort in terms of integration.

I think the G3 with the F2 in a 2.1 configuration would be nice but wondering if anyone out there has a 2.1 setup with a pair of G2s and an F2.

Unfortunately, I haven't listened to G2 but I have 8330 and from the mid/bass driver size G2 (10 cm) is one level below to 8330 (16 cm mid/bass driver size). 8330 is fantastic for its size. I have listened to 1 and Era100. Can't compare.

 

[Miguelón]

The G series looks virtually identical to the 80x0 series to me, not the 83xx or 82xx series. For example, the G Three vs the 8030C look almost exactly the same, amp power and all:

https://www.genelec.com/g-three#section-technical-specifications
https://www.genelec.com/8030c#section-technical-specifications

The only difference I see is the G Three has a frequency response spec of +-2.5db while the 8030C is +-2db. The G Three seems to accept RCA inputs. The published measurements are exactly the same.

What is weird is the G Three appears to cost more than the 8030C. I’d just get the 8030C if I were you.

That said, you should probably ask Genelec. They can probably give a more precise answer as to how they differ.

Sorry for answering 4 years after, G Three is exactly the same speaker as 8030C but Genelec hasn’t changed the specs form the G Three A versions. 2019 and after built G Threes are version B with same FQ curve response

 

[JiiPee]

If the intention is to use the speakers mainly for listening music, imho the Genelec F2 + pair of G Threes hit the sweet spot. F2 goes more than deep enough and loud enough for music listening in normal listening spaces by normal human beings, and the G threes have extraordinarily flat frequency response considering the price point. One of the differences between these home-oriented speakers vs. the Genelec pro series speakers is that the home speakers do not have SAM-connectivity. They provide some manual adjustments via dip switches, but if more is needed, then something like DSpeaker X2D can be a nice option to add to the system. Of course, if the only source is a PC, then a software-based room correction may be the cheapest alternative.

 

[Kyle_PL]

The 83XX has analog and digital in.

Genelec 8320 have unfortunately only analog input.

 

[Miguelón]

If the intention is to use the speakers mainly for listening music, imho the Genelec F2 + pair of G Threes hit the sweet spot. F2 goes more than deep enough and loud enough for music listening in normal listening spaces by normal human beings, and the G threes have extraordinarily flat frequency response considering the price point. One of the differences between these home-oriented speakers vs. the Genelec pro series speakers is that the home speakers do not have SAM-connectivity. They provide some manual adjustments via dip switches, but if more is needed, then something like DSpeaker X2D can be a nice option to add to the system. Of course, if the only source is a PC, then a software-based room correction may be the cheapest alternative.

I finally got the F Two, but not sure I made a good purchase. Is under trial period until January 31th, my doubt is if I get 7050 sub instead, I would feel a big difference?

I purchased the F Two with some discount, at 1200€ but I love so much the response of G Threes that my perfectionist side is wondering if the Pro version which is cheaper and goes lower will make a considerable difference.

Here is advantages:

F Two: small footprint, lightweight, I suppose good FQ but don’t find measurements. 26 Hz (-6 dB)
7050: bigger but still manageable, firing frontal, XLR inputs (but not profitable on WiiM Ultra that has RCA outputs), 24 Hz (-6 dB)

Disadvantages:

F Two: firing towards floor (this matters?), possibly poorer accuracy?, 200€ more expensive (with discount)
7050: heavier, no RCA inputs.

Thanks for your opinion!

 

[Miguelón]

Ahh!!!

Thank you so much for this!! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for! I’ve always wanted a little box with room EQ with support for a calibration mic which I can just slot in between my PC and speakers.

I‘m going to look into this more in the near future, but from my quick glance through the spec sheet I can basically hook this baby up to my PC and have it behave as a USB audio interface and then use TOSLINK out to say the Genelec F Two subwoofer which in turn feeds the signal to a pair of G Three monitors, right? Is there anything else I need to know before I commit myself to this configuration? This looks exciting!~

Did you finally got F Two? I’m curious about its performances, no measurements from Genelec or any reviewer…

Hesitating with 7050, pro version similar in SPL, slightly deeper in Fq.

 

[NiagaraPete]

Did you finally got F Two? I’m curious about its performances, no measurements from Genelec or any reviewer…

Hesitating with 7050, pro version similar in SPL, slightly deeper in Fq.

I have G five's and been thinking about 7360. The pri ce keeps going up and up.

Genelec 7360A​

 

[Miguelón]

I have G five's and been thinking about 7360. The pri ce keeps going up and up.

Genelec 7360A​

2.000€ in Europe, taking to account that has DSP , 109 dB SPL and goes to 19 Hz is better than F Two in quality/price…

Without the discount, F Two usually costs 1560€, all home stuff is more expensive than the pro line in Genelec.

I picked the F Two because my principal interest is piano music and orchestral, deeper note goes just 27.5 Hz (piano). Also by consideration to my neighbors…

Do you know if a front firing sub sounds better than a downward firing one? Or just depends on implementation in each case?