Yes, WiiM Ultra! Thomann will put me on their black list, but think will worth to call them and give a quick try on 8330 and return my 8030s… hopefully they will get extra money with the exchange.
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I'm using 8030s in two different locations, one nearfield with Wiim DSP and one 4m distance with DiracLive. Both are substantially improved. It's not just the frequency response. The timing and channel balance can be affected by the room.
Ups, jumps above my budget like a Thompson gazelle ...
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That's a big price difference! Good luck.
Hummm, one of the reasons I went to purely analogue speakers is that they retain more time their value: maybe in few years Genelec will change systems, or Dirac or other external DSP overcome GLM...
I found direct XLR to spdif cables, 110 Ohms... maybe they worth the 15€ as my actual cables are 75 ohm and I prefer simplify connections
pro snake AES/EBU SPDIF Cable Male 3
Cable de interfaz digital 110 Ohmios, XLR macho a RCA macho, Adecuado para todos los interfaces RME Fireface, Longitud: 3m, Color: Negro, Fabricado en Alemania
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If you have problems then this is what I have: https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/naditbnc-mI found direct XLR to spdif cables, 110 Ohms... maybe they worth the 15€ as my actual cables are 75 ohm and I prefer simplify connections
pro snake AES/EBU SPDIF Cable Male 3
Cable de interfaz digital 110 Ohmios, XLR macho a RCA macho, Adecuado para todos los interfaces RME Fireface, Longitud: 3m, Color: Negro, Fabricado en Alemania
however I don't forsee an issue so use whatever cable you've already got. It will be obvious if it isn't working.
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More than twice as much here in the USA. $2k vs $4.5k for a pair. They are endgame speakers though.
I go with the 8030s and DiracLive for the cheapest option.
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Neutrik is something Genelec support docs themselves mention on this page https://support.genelec.com/hc/en-u...ct-my-digital-SAM-monitors-to-S-PDIF-directly
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Yes, thanks: I watched yesterday an @amirm post about digital signal transmission, very interesting!
It will results in pops and cracks if I well understood
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I have the Genelec 8030C speakers, and also a SAM set - 8330A speakers, 7350A sub, and GLM Kit. The speakers are set up side by side on identical stands, while I decide which I prefer to keep. I stream to the digital inputs of the SAM gear from a Fiio SR11 streamer with Neutrik impedance converter. With the sub bypassed, I prefer the 8330A speakers by a small margin. Adding the sub makes quite a difference. My room/listening seat results in notches in the 8330A frequency response, and the sub crossed over at 100 Hz effectively deals with the lower frequency notches. I'm not a bass freak, but I do enjoy the firmed-up bottom end that the sub adds, too. I could probably add a sub to the 8030C speakers, and improve SQ with them, too, but the GLM Kit is a very user-friendly solution, and allows on-going functionality that external solutions would not.
My system is strictly for music enjoyment in my home. Listening seat is about 9 feet from the speakers. I actually have two 7350A subs at the moment, which is not needed in my room (24 x 16 x 8 feet). In a much larger room, or for very loud playback the second sub might make a difference.
I do enjoy the 8030C pair, too. Initially had a Denafrips Pontus DAC, then switched to a Cayin RU7 DAC which I really enjoy, too, with a Schiit Freya+ preamp in passive/buffer mode.
It's only been a week with the side-by-side comparison, so I'll give it some time, but I'm probably keeping the SAM monitors and sub.
My system is strictly for music enjoyment in my home. Listening seat is about 9 feet from the speakers. I actually have two 7350A subs at the moment, which is not needed in my room (24 x 16 x 8 feet). In a much larger room, or for very loud playback the second sub might make a difference.
I do enjoy the 8030C pair, too. Initially had a Denafrips Pontus DAC, then switched to a Cayin RU7 DAC which I really enjoy, too, with a Schiit Freya+ preamp in passive/buffer mode.
It's only been a week with the side-by-side comparison, so I'll give it some time, but I'm probably keeping the SAM monitors and sub.
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Thanks a lot @goofytwoshoes
That's very helpful for me. I have one more question and you seem to be the perfect person to answer.
I know that we can use GLM with 7350A regardless of whether a SAM (83xx) or non-SAM (80xx) monitor is used. Can you check if 7350 + GLM can apply eq to the l and r channels too when used with 8030c and the EQ can be saved into the 7350?
If so then for my use case the 8030c + 7350 would also be good enough. I'll basically miss phase alignment (Auto Phase in GLM) which is only possible when both monitor and sub support GLM.
That's very helpful for me. I have one more question and you seem to be the perfect person to answer.
I know that we can use GLM with 7350A regardless of whether a SAM (83xx) or non-SAM (80xx) monitor is used. Can you check if 7350 + GLM can apply eq to the l and r channels too when used with 8030c and the EQ can be saved into the 7350?
If so then for my use case the 8030c + 7350 would also be good enough. I'll basically miss phase alignment (Auto Phase in GLM) which is only possible when both monitor and sub support GLM.
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Pretty sure you cannot use the 8030C and 7350A together. Download the GLM manual from Genelec website, see page 105, point 11.14 for a full explanation.
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Thank you. Found a more detailed answer in their FAQ.
7350A can also be used with non-SAM monitors but the main limitation compared to 7360A and beyond is the fact that 7350A always outputs full-range signals and 8030C doesn't have a -6dB bass roll-off, only -4dB which means integration will not be optimal.
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I missed that! I assume I'd connect to the analog inputs and analog outputs of the 7350A. Will do that later today, and report back here.
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@goofytwoshoes - In your experience, assuming a SAM setup in a 2.1 configuration in a living room for music listening purposes, would you still calibrate with GLM considering the fact that one may not always sit in the assigned MLP? I know GLM can accommodate for averaging for a wider listening area and that is what I'd opt for but my point is; it's better to have calibration in place even for off-axis listening. My source will probably be a Wiim Ultra. Hmmm, I take note of the interface mismatch (RCA vs XLR). I know the Gen monitors incorporate level controls but is it better to invest in a professional RCA to XLR converter for better dynamics? I guess one could opt for an Eversolo unit that has balanced outputs but the price difference is not small.
Furthermore, has anyone had the opportunity to compare the KALI SM-5 to the Gen Ones? @Ellebob - you might be able to answer that question.
Furthermore, has anyone had the opportunity to compare the KALI SM-5 to the Gen Ones? @Ellebob - you might be able to answer that question.
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