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Nice sampler https://tidal.com/browse/album/2400318It's weird that they went with the 8351B and not 8361A but still cool.
Btw is there any 2L materiel on Tidal?
Nice sampler https://tidal.com/browse/album/2400318It's weird that they went with the 8351B and not 8361A but still cool.
Btw is there any 2L materiel on Tidal?
WhichActually, he can't move any closer or further away or the motion sensors will be set off.
(Made for an earlier 8361 thread.)
Wouldn't the 8341 or even 8331 be even better then?8351b is the better speaker if you've got the W371. You won't really be using the woofers, so the better dispersion of the 8351 makes it the better speaker.
No, you lose too much headroom.Wouldn't the 8341 or even 8331 be even better then?
This is what tempts me so much towards considering the 8361A — I also have always found that more competent bass from the main speakers always sounds better, even with subwoofers, and even sometimes sounds better than smaller speakers with subs. Amir has commented on similar observations as well with e.g. the Salon2’s, and of course endless other people who notice the same.Thanks mate!
To my ear the 8351a (remember these are not the current 8351b which as I understand it are significantly improved by comparison to the 8351a) compared to the 8361a seem a little harsher. Also, whilst the 7370 sub was just a huge improvement to the 8351a, I always felt there was just the slightest fraction of delay between the sub and the 8351a - I dunno if this was something I was missing in the GLM set up - I always ran the phase alignment etc. but again, comparing this to the bass on the 8361a, it’s just better integrated - which of course makes sense as there’s much greater Bass coming g from the main speakers rather than a seperate sub on the floor.
Anyway, there are many, many more folks especially on this forum whose descriptions will do them the justice these speakers deserve. All I can say is I feel incredibly privileged and lucky to have them at home to listen to - I would recommend certainly auditioning them if you’re considering speakers around this kind of price point.
I’m currently also torn on whether to next buy some more Genelec 8351B’s, or go with 8361A’s for my front speakers as I am looking to potentially build out a 5.1 multichannel system of coaxial Genelecs.
I know the “ultimate” best of both worlds is an 8351B + W371A, but due to price I don’t anticipate I’ll be buying any W371’s for quite a while at least.
I know we only have max SPL vs frequency measurements for the 8351A (not B) and the 8361A, but the difference in bass capabilities is large and very impressive performance from the 8361’s.
I suppose what I’m trying to figure out is just how much inferior the 8361A sound quality would be versus the 8351B in practically audible terms. Both are are extremely good of course, but in evaluating the tradoffs it’s hard to judge how noticeable the off-axis differences would be in practice.
This is what tempts me so much towards considering the 8361A — I also have always found that more competent bass from the main speakers always sounds better, even with subwoofers, and even sometimes sounds better than smaller speakers with subs. Amir has commented on similar observations as well with e.g. the Salon2’s, and of course endless other people who notice the same.
I also really like how the 8361’s can maintain >110db (before distorting or limiting) throughout almost the entire audible frequency spectrum below treble. For me, that’s my “should be good enough for any and all purposes“ threshold
In the absence of SPL measurements as detailed as we have for the 8351A, I can only assume the 8351B is better but likely not so drastically better as to match the 8361 between 100-500hz, which is quite important since you can’t really solve that with a subwoofer (at least not without work similar in effort to designing a speaker).
A sub will not realistically be able to increase the 200-500hz SPL capabilities. The W371A can, and that’s what makes it unique, but the price is not right for me at this time.if you’re going for 5.1 you’ll have the “1” to handle the bass. The 8351b will play more than loud enough if the lowest bass is handled by a sub
This is entirely untrue for bass frequencies heard for a moderate amount of time, and even for higher frequencies when played a short duration (i.e. as part of transient peaks). You may be thinking of long exposure to higher frequencies for a long time, like EDM concerts. Our sensitivity to hearing damage depends not just on SPL, but frequency and time of exposure. You can refer to some OSHA data for more info here, but for a quick reference look up the difference between A-weighted SPL and C-weighted.Remember also that such high spl will damage your ears. No joke.
I would‘t have five 8361’s, but rather just the front three channels. The surrounds would be my current 8351B’s.And 5 8351b will take up much less space than 5 8361’s.
Fully agree that there are great subs out there, but again, keep in mind that the Sound & Recording SPL measurements of the 8351A show that 100-500hz cannot be sustained at 110db like much of the mids can.There are a lot of great subwoofers out there!
I really doubt they're "inferior" in any way to 8351B as Genelec calls them their "flagship"I’m currently also torn on whether to next buy some more Genelec 8351B’s, or go with 8361A’s for my front speakers as I am looking to potentially build out a 5.1 multichannel system of coaxial Genelecs.
I know the “ultimate” best of both worlds is an 8351B + W371A, but due to price I don’t anticipate I’ll be buying any W371’s for quite a while at least.
I know we only have max SPL vs frequency measurements for the 8351A (not B) and the 8361A, but the difference in bass capabilities is large and very impressive performance from the 8361’s.
I suppose what I’m trying to figure out is just how much inferior the 8361A sound quality would be versus the 8351B in practically audible terms. Both are are extremely good of course, but in evaluating the tradoffs it’s hard to judge how noticeable the off-axis differences would be in practice.
This is what tempts me so much towards considering the 8361A — I also have always found that more competent bass from the main speakers always sounds better, even with subwoofers, and even sometimes sounds better than smaller speakers with subs. Amir has commented on similar observations as well with e.g. the Salon2’s, and of course endless other people who notice the same.
I also really like how the 8361’s can maintain >110db (before distorting or limiting) throughout almost the entire audible frequency spectrum below treble. For me, that’s my “should be good enough for any and all purposes“ threshold
In the absence of SPL measurements as detailed as we have for the 8351A, I can only assume the 8351B is better but likely not so drastically better as to match the 8361 between 100-500hz, which is quite important since you can’t really solve that with a subwoofer (at least not without work similar in effort to designing a speaker).
Does anyone know the best test procedure to measure max SPL limits of a speaker at particular frequencies, in a normal living room?
I suppose there’s no way to really correct for the room boundary effects other than just guesswork?Just try different sine waves inside the 100-500hz area and raise volume until you see red lights blinking, then you know the limit. GLM mic SPL or REW/UMIK-1 Z/C-weighted will show about the same result.
You can also try playing bandwith limited pink noise from REW generator like 200-400hz.
IMHO this quest for that much SPL is ridiculous. Just plain silly. Measurements are for one speaker, imagine the output of two (+3db), three or even five speakers. Simply not healthy, even in a large room.Fully agree that there are great subs out there, but again, keep in mind that the Sound & Recording SPL measurements of the 8351A show that 100-500hz cannot be sustained at 110db like much of the mids can.
In the past ive had subwoofers that could easily reach 110db (C-weighted, so still little to no risk of hearing damage here) in the deep bass frequencies. I ideally want the mains to be able to match this in 100-500hz, where even if your sub can fill in, you almost certainty won’t want it to for directivity/localization reasons.
IMHO this quest for that much SPL is ridiculous. Just plain silly. Measurements are for one speaker, imagine the output of two (+3db), three or even five speakers. Simply not healthy, even in a large room.
Be ready to join the local tinnitus support group in a few years.
Joke’s on you, I’ve had tinnitus since I was a child for as long as I can remember!Be ready to join the local tinnitus support group in a few years.
IMHO this quest for that much SPL is ridiculous. Just plain silly. Measurements are for one speaker, imagine the output of two (+3db), three or even five speakers. Simply not healthy, even in a large room.
I suppose there’s no way to really correct for the room boundary effects other than just guesswork?
I could turn this up to the point that my 8351B’s clipping/limiter light would flash orange, before it was unbearably painfully loud:
In contrast, playing this track via just the pair of 8361A’s alone (and no subwoofer), I am unable to find the 8361’s limit.
About 8 feet away as well. I believe Genelec has stated they intentionally designed the 8361’s default bass extension to favor greater SPL headroom at the expense of bass extension (30hz vs 23hz), because a common complaint of the 8260 was that deep bass content would sometimes hit the limiter when played really loudly (and playing really loudly is usually the point of a monitor like this).How far away are you listening? I have a pair of 8260 monitors about 8 feet away from me in a 12*17 foot room... I can get them to clip a bit during parts of interstellar if I turn the volume up enough to hear the voices clearly. Sounds like they achieved what they set out to do with SPL on the successor to the 8260 model.
Sounds like you need a bigger sub though! The 7271 is evenly matched with the 8260 when I have a bit of a tilt, and it roughly equivalent to the 15" 7380 woofer... If the 8361 is going even louder without clipping, the 10" woofer in the 7360 is going to have a real hard time keeping up!
[I just realized there are two 8361A vs 8351B threads, so I have moved this post from another thread (of the same title) to this thread (where I had originally intended to post)]
- Finding stands is a bit more complex than the 8351B. The stand plates that the 8351B iso-pods fit into do not work with the 8361A, since the 8361A iso-pods are much larger. I think the rear mount bolt sockets have the same dimensions on the 8351 and 8361, but this is mostly relevant when wall mounting I think. I don’t think the Genelec 8000-series design stands work with the 8361 (as the 8351 is explicitly mentioned as compatible, but the 8361 is not mentioned), presumably because it would probably not have the right center of gravity even if it was successfully bolted on.