Pearljam5000
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Anyone heard all 3?
8351B
8C
Kii 3
8351B
8C
Kii 3
For domestic use do you think this group delay thing will be more audible than the lack of loudness capability of 2-ways with dynamic big orchestral music?
Keith from @Purité Audio will have done I think, and by later tomorrow will have heard the 8351B with W371 as well.Anyone heard all 3?
8351B
8C
Kii 3
will have heard the 8351B with W371 as well.
dipoles restitution renders well recording settings accoustics, shame they measure so poorly.
I think the 8351B on its side on the W371, as uses in the 2L studio, looks the nicest of all - or at least slightly less hideous. With the isolating pad removed and taking the rounded ends into account it looks a better width match than the 8431 IMO.I am more interested in 8341a + W371A performance.
Solely because the 8341 in horizontal position (37cm) fits on top within the width of W371A (40cm).
Being anal. . .
Interestingly at Genelec Official “Audio Solutions”:
- 8341a (horizontal) + W371A is recommended under “Music Production > Mastering”
- 8351b (vertical) + W371A is recommended under “Home Application > High-end Listening”.
Probably 8341a combination is recommended for near-field (1.5-2.5m)
And 8351b combination is recommended far-field (2.5m+) more typical of “home application” situations.
But it would be nice to know the 8341a combination limits (can it do 2.5-4 meters in 5-way complimentary mode?) as well as 8351b combination limits (4m+ with complimentary mode?).
I am chiefly considering their value within a domestic setting.
What? Speakers are not designed for microphones. Usually for human being who's subjective impressions and opinions matter in private use. Measurements are able to provide some gauge or analysis for some individual features to control design process, QC, sound balance adjustments on site, preview hobby with subjective interpretations etc. but personal preferences, priorities, compatibilities and possibilities define what product will be selected. Not for example measurements and points on ASR forum. Sorry, this is or at least should be self-evident
With the isolating pad removed and taking the rounded ends into account it looks a better width match than the 8431 IMO.
For what that is worth.
What would you estimate the volume of your room Frank, my room is at the upper limit recommended for the old 8260,I think the 8351B on its side on the W371, as uses in the 2L studio, looks the nicest of all - or at least slightly less hideous. With the isolating pad removed and taking the rounded ends into account it looks a better width match than the 8431 IMO.
For what that is worth.
My only interest is domestic at around 4-5 meters
The iso-pod is probably 40mm of that, and that gets moved to the side when it becomes the bottom. So yes.8351b Total width is 45.2cm.
So rounded edge enough to mask 2.6cm each side?
Yes Keith if I go by that document the recommended speakers are the 1236A which is what stopped my looking at Genelecs a few years ago, though I did consider them!What would you estimate the volume of your room Frank, my room is at the upper limit recommended for the old 8260,
Listening distance at 4-5 metres is going to include a fair bit of room.
https://www.genelec.com/correct-monitors
Keith
What? Speakers are not designed for microphones.
Measurements are handy for a short list but buying without listening is stark staring bonkers IME, the most disappointing speaker I ever auditioned had state of the art - for the time- measurements but sounded dreadful on my favourite music, even though spectacular on other stuff.Yeah true, a lot of very foolish people make a terrible decision to select speakers by going into a carefully treated demo room to listen, sometimes even to dealer-provided demo tracks. Or sometimes they’ll demo in their own home but neglect to realize that their selection of test tracks was picked over time to favor a particular brand of speaker coloration, leading to the circular conclusion that only this brand of speaker sounds best subjectively. Such horribly unreliable ways of selecting speakers, prone to so many biases (including whatever the dealer wants to push) — surely only the most pathetic sort of fools would use such a method, instead of the best measurement and evaluation techniques developed and refined by many scientists over decades to do precisely this: reliably select speakers that are virtually guaranteed to provide a lifetime of enjoyment across all genres of music. “Sorry, this is or at least should be self-evident ”
Before you feel insulted, note that my former self was one of those pathetic fools (which I don’t mean literally, but is just my strange form of shock humor) . As an audiophile, it’s pretty easy to find yourself feeling foolish in retrospect, when you realize that you too were victim to this industry’s epidemic of dishonest subjective reviews, snakeoil salesman, anti-science ignorance, and general foolishness all-around. As a result, I wasted a lot of time and money on overpriced mediocre speakers thanks to subjectivist nonsense like this. As for you... the choice is yours All you need is an open mind to the possibility that maybe there is at least something that the science got right (even if not 100%).
Pound to a penny they will have all the GLM measurements to look at and if the webinar is anything to go by it is the choice making when running GLM which makes the soundscape, the potential of the pairing meaning a lot of things are possible which are not with anything else. That is what impresses me anyway.I will take my measuring kit
Yeah.....I'd like to get that full range bottom as well. If you're far-field listening - or mains - the sub is a must.Pound to a penny they will have all the GLM measurements to look at and if the webinar is anything to go by it is the choice making when running GLM which makes the soundscape, the potential of the pairing meaning a lot of things are possible which are not with anything else. That is what impresses me anyway.
I have zero interest in the 8351B without the W371.
...the best measurement and evaluation techniques developed and refined by many scientists over decades to do precisely this: reliably select speakers that are virtually guaranteed to provide a lifetime of enjoyment across all genres of music.
I'm hoping the Trinnov takes care of that - I don't know yet! My plan is to have the 8360/8351 integrate with the 7370 via GLM and treated as 3 single full range speakers and letting GLM handle the time/phase alignments between the 4 units. Then Trinnov will integrate that group with the JTR. Of course this is all in theory. Trinnov suggested I treat these 5 as separates and let Trinnov figure them all out if all else fails. I'm planning to upmix all 2-channel stereo with Auromatic to enjoy the magic of multi-channel immersion@Spocko Thanks for sharing! I have a similar plan. Buy one GLM sub like 7360 or 7370 to support my 2 SVS 12" subs. Did you have any issues in integrating GLM with non-GLM subs especially time and phase alignments? How did you manage? Are you also using subs in 2ch music? If yes, where do you place them? Do you also use additional Genelec monitors for surrounds?