Gaia Isolation anything in this?

[mhardy6647]

I like hockey pucks.
I would recommend putting a doily or suchlike under them if they will be on a piece of fine/finely finished furniture or floor.

 

[Witterings]

Like these? https://a.co/d/3VaoMSO or https://a.co/d/1Qw4GI3

I tried something similar to those and it made everything sound horrible and muddy, whether they were too flexible and allowed too much movement of the speaker I'm not sure but the relief when I removed, it was then I realised how bad they made things sound.

I have also tried (but didn't buy) Gaia's, I felt they did make a "slight" difference and maybe "tightened" eveything up but not enough to warrant the cost ... I was also testing them to see if they helped with a room mode I was having an issue with and they didn't help with that.

Find a dealer that will let you have some on trial and see what you think.

 

[Purité Audio]

I tried something similar to those and it made everything sound horrible and muddy, whether they were too flexible and allowed too much movement of the speaker I'm not sure but the relief when I removed, it was then I realised how bad they made things sound.

I have also tried (but didn't buy) Gaia's, I felt they did make a "slight" difference and maybe "tightened" eveything up but not enough to warrant the cost ... I was also testing them to see if they helped with a room mode I was having an issue with and they didn't help with that.

Find a dealer that will let you have some on trial and see what you think.

I can’t think of any physical mechanism that would have such an affect on the speaker, it is very easy to imagine differences when they don‘t actually exist, particularly when as in the case of isolation feet it is impossible to compare instantly with/without.
Keith

 

[Witterings]

it is very easy to imagine differences when they don‘t actually exist,

Yeah, cause I just imagine things ...

 

[Purité Audio]

Every human being is subject to cognitive bias, imagining, but if you want to convince that your post has some real substance then post evidence.
Keith

 

[Holmz]

I can’t think of any physical mechanism that would have such an affect on the speaker, it is very easy to imagine differences when they don‘t actually exist, particularly when as in the case of isolation feet it is impossible to compare instantly with/without.
Keith

On would play a high tone and a woofer tone, and see if the IMD increases?
I suspect accelerometers on the cabinet would be able to do something similar to quantify the cabinet being shaken by a woofer.

Or is the marketing that the floor is shaking the cabinet?

Either way it should be possible to quantify what is happening in 3 axes.

 

[Witterings]

Every human being is subject to cognitive bias, imagining, but if you want to convince that your post has some real substance then post evidence.
Keith

You reply is like saying if you plug a CD into an amplifier and start it playing with the amplifier turned off and then you switch the amplifier on .... a human isn't able to ditinguish between the two and whether it's actually playing or not and it needs to be measured to be proven ... honestly you've got your head buried somewhere.

Come round and listen to it whenever you want .... you'll have your own evidence then as you'll clearly be able to hear the difference.

My word stands until you've heard it yourself and until then you're not qualified to comment.

 

[Purité Audio]

If the sound has been altered to ‘horrible and muddy’ then that will be evident in the measurements so post the before and after measurements.
Your anecdote remains just that anecdote.
Keith

 

[Witterings]

If the sound has been altered to ‘horrible and muddy’ then that will be evident in the measurements so post the before and after measurements.
Your anecdote remains just that anecdote.
Keith

Sorry but your refusal to accept that anyone else's opinion may be valid is laughable.

 

[sandeep_s300]

Isoacoustics pro audio orientated products are more reasonably priced, although not as pretty: https://isoacoustics.com/pro-audio-isolation-products/

I have my desk monitors on some Iso-Stands and they seem to work quite well at stopping the desk buzzing along with the music. They also lift the monitors closer to ear height.

On my sub, which is on a suspended wooden floor, I replaced the original hard plastic feet with some SVS feet:

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These have a hole in the centre, so I imagine you could adapt them to fit on speakers to get similar results to the Gaia feet at a lower price.

Those svs isolators worth the money for sub. I bought them to try on my m&k x12 and immediate notice was that it took away the sub localisation factor. Now the sub have disappeared , as if now the low freq is coming from the front rather than side wall where the sub is physically located.

Apart from that I have got isoacoustics various isolators under my amp, streamer/dac and speakers . I picked up used and real cheap to try them myself . Did AB comparision and didn’t hear anything difference applying to amps or dacs or BD players - except for the speakers where I felt have improved the soundstage a bit . It could be a placebo effect as well.

I have kept the isolators just because they look cool, expensive and few components where they stack on top of another got some room for air movement

 

[ErVikingo]

IMHO, it is hard to distinguish impacts of "isolation feet" from the change in the distance from the drivers to the floor and also the alignment to our ears.

My woofer towers sound clearer to me with footers, but guess what, I am physically separating them from a boundary (floor).

 

[Purité Audio]

Those svs isolators worth the money for sub. I bought them to try on my m&k x12 and immediate notice was that it took away the sub localisation factor. Now the sub have disappeared , as if now the low freq is coming from the front rather than side wall where the sub is physically located.

Apart from that I have got isoacoustics various isolators under my amp, streamer/dac and speakers . I picked up used and real cheap to try them myself . Did AB comparision and didn’t hear anything difference applying to amps or dacs or BD players - except for the speakers where I felt have improved the soundstage a bit . It could be a placebo effect as well.

I have kept the isolators just because they look cool, expensive and few components where they stack on top of another got some room for air movement

‘Isolation’ feet removed the localisation factor of your sub , that is literally fantastic.
Keith

 

[sandeep_s300]

‘Isolation’ feet removed the localisation factor of your sub , that is literally fantastic.
Keith

It did - instant change . Period .

 

[Jim Taylor]

Sorry but your refusal to accept that anyone else's opinion may be valid is laughable.

Keith did NOT say that he refused to accept that anyone else's opinion MAY be valid. What he said was that an audible characteristic ("... horrible and muddy...") will be evident in measurements. He also stated that evidence of such changes should be posted.

This is the normal procedure for scientific analysis. Assertions made without accompanying evidence are rejected. That doesn't mean that they are untrue, or that they didn't happen ... it simply means that they are unsupported by evidence.

It seems to me that some people believe that science is just another style or form of presenting opinions. Nothing could be further from the truth. Science is not a style, not a font, not a grammatical method. Science is a logical and rigorously controlled method for examining the world around us. It uses those rigorous controls to eliminate the emotional effects of superstition and voodoo that have been so rampant in past centuries.

There is a difference between an opinion and an assertion. An assertion (here) is a declaration relating to something objective. It may be true, or it may be untrue. An opinion is a declaration of subjective human values (here). Notice the part of the qualifying definition that says ...

" ... "a judgment formed or a conclusion reached, especially one based on evidence that does not produce knowledge or certainty,"

That's an important difference. It seems that many people today use "opinion" and "assertion" as interchangeable. They're not.

We should never question the value of skepticism and the requirement for reproducible proofs. The cold fusion debacle made that painfully obvious.

Jim

 

[sandeep_s300]

So the expectation is everyone to carry measurement tools . Let’s start with hearing test , measure which frequency range one can hear , health of auditory muscles , how trained they are to pick sonic details . sometimes I feel there are a few people here that even measures how much to sprinkle salt and pepper on their pasta to justify it’s going to make a difference lol.

 

[Purité Audio]

It did - instant change . Period .

Literally fantastic, not too many accessories actually change physics.
Keith

 

[sandeep_s300]

Literally fantastic, not too many accessories actually change physics.
Keith

I don’t understand physics when it comes to music - it’s my biological body that absorbs sound waves and decodes it . If anyone wants to disagree with my findings - I invite them to come with their tools and good pair of ears to my room and prove me wrong . Otherwise , it’s a waste of storage for ASR as these back and forth argument will never end and won’t change what i have heard or hear until one can make me hear otherwise .

 

[Purité Audio]

‘I just saw a cow jump over the moon’.
‘I fitted feet to my sub and now I can’t localise the sound’.
Both statements have exactly the same validity, nice story though.
Keith

 

[Chagall]

So the expectation is everyone to carry measurement tools . Let’s start with hearing test , measure which frequency range one can hear , health of auditory muscles , how trained they are to pick sonic details . sometimes I feel there are a few people here that even measures how much to sprinkle salt and pepper on their pasta to justify it’s going to make a difference lol.

Well, you should first and foremost measure for yourself. Just to be sure your brain isn't playing a trick on you. Hearing test and speaker's in room frequency response is good to know.

Also, what's wrong with measuring salt intake?

 

[sandeep_s300]

Well, you should first and foremost measure for yourself. Just to be sure your brain isn't playing a trick on you. Hearing test and speaker's in room frequency response is good to know.

Also, what's wrong with measuring salt intake?

I do measurements and have basic kit to work with REW to place my GIK acoustics panels and bass traps in the room and get the best outcome possible , but not interested now as I am renting until my next house gets built. All my AV stuff is now inside one small bedroom , with one side been a massive triple glass sliding door to the backyard .

Sometimes you don’t need to spend hours measuring when differences are night and day. It’s like saying speaker toe in and out have no impact until one measures it and look at all the results .

I mentioned that isoacoustics is there under every av component that I have and I couldn’t hear any difference . I did hear and experienced big change when it came to the sub .

Listen and enjoy the music , like one enjoys food without trying to dig how much salt and pepper the chef has put in it

Anyways - out of this thread - can’t be entertaining people who believes it’s either my way or the highway .