Well, how recent is "fairly recent"? It's been some decades since doing room treatments or using EQ of some kind became common, or at least not unheard-of.I'll make the obvious comment that up until fairly recently most people just put up with room modes. Maybe they pushed the speakers around a bit to improve matters.
Until the day web traffic on this website is higher than headfi or whathifi, I would have to call that a bluff, at least where the definition of "large fraction" is concerned.Well, how recent is "fairly recent"? It's been some decades since doing room treatments or using EQ of some kind became common, or at least not unheard-of.
Audyssey has been available for nearly 20 years now... the really recent development is REW maturing enough and becoming mainstream enough that "UMIK + REW" has become a standard recommendation. But fixing room modes has been a thing in the audiophile world for a reasonably large fraction of the history of audiophile stuff.
ASR already has more traffic than head-fi… it still has a while to go to match WhatHifi, but you said “or”.Until the day web traffic on this website is higher than headfi or whathifi, I would have to call that a bluff, at least where the definition of "large fraction" is concerned.
I'm not saying everyone does it, knows about it, or even acknowledges it... but in terms of the history of hi-fi, room correction has been around for a while. Hi-Fi has only been a mainstream concept for maybe 70-80 years, we've had automated room correction at the consumer level for 20 of those years. I consider that a large fraction.Until the day web traffic on this website is higher than headfi or whathifi, I would have to call that a bluff, at least where the definition of "large fraction" is concerned.
Do you need room correction?
but I can buy a dedicated amplifier in the future. So now I use it as an integrated. In the future I take the pre out feed it in the dsp and then to a dedicated amp. What do I miss ?The “out” bit is not the problem. It is the “in” bit that is missing. The signal needs to get back into the integrated amp to be amplified.
Yes, you could. Seems like a bit of a waste though. Do you really need a pre? If you only have one source, just get a power amp right away.but I can buy a dedicated amplifier in the future. So now I use it as an integrated. In the future I take the pre out feed it in the dsp and then to a dedicated amp. What do I miss ?
I have updated the first postDo you have the measurements of before and after? If so, share them!
In general, you may just not like the target curve chosen. There are endless ways to tweak the response, and it will need some tweaking to tailor it to your liking.
I have updated first post with some initial measurements.That should work yes. Keep in mind you will need some way to do the measurements, usually UMIK-1 and REW, but there are other methods. Some of the AVR-integrated room correction tools come with their own mics and whatnot.
My sources are cd, fm tuner, streaming and vinylYes, you could. Seems like a bit of a waste though. Do you really need a pre? If you only have one source, just get a power amp right away.
The Quads are so clean that the room modes generated by a sub become obvious. But no more. Since then, I have added two more subs and am now using Multi Sub Optimizer to tame the subs, but the idea has remained the same.
Great!I have updated the first post
Well, you definitely need a pre. I’d just get something that has room correction baked in. The cheaper limited Dirac license may already be enough, your mid and high frequency seems quite smooth already. Something like NAD C386 or C3050 may work?My sources are cd, fm tuner, streaming and vinyl
Thanks. I will use that to test itYou don't "need" room correction in the same way you don't "need" 20Hz bass or a 40" TV or two pillows or a water filter. There is even a school of thought that if the instruments and singers are performing live in the room they also wouldn't be using room correction and the room FR is part of the thing.
However the feeling when you play this test sound and all the notes come back at equal loudness makes me feels better than spending $3000 on cables
as I wrote I have experienced it and the difference was not hugeYes. Absolutely. But only if you've experienced it. If you haven't you don't know what you're missing..
I stand by my vague, sweeping assertion In any event EQ used to be a whole lot tougher not so many years ago.Well, how recent is "fairly recent"? It's been some decades since doing room treatments or using EQ of some kind became common, or at least not unheard-of.
Audyssey has been available for nearly 20 years now... the really recent development is REW maturing enough and becoming mainstream enough that "UMIK + REW" has become a standard recommendation. But fixing room modes has been a thing in the audiophile world for a reasonably large fraction of the history of audiophile stuff.
You don't "need" room correction in the same way you don't "need" 20Hz bass or a 40" TV or two pillows or a water filter. There is even a school of thought that if the instruments and singers are performing live in the room they also wouldn't be using room correction and the room FR is part of the thing.