No there aren’t. Unless of course you were taking a shortcut with your meaning of “the same”.So there arent any amps that measure the same tonality wise?
No there aren’t. Unless of course you were taking a shortcut with your meaning of “the same”.So there arent any amps that measure the same tonality wise?
No there aren’t. Unless of course you were taking a shortcut with your meaning of “the same”.
…as I am way more interested in the spectral decay charts than FR
My point is this, there is no reason to use FR as an indication or proof that break ins do not exist or isnt audible. The differences are not in found in the FR but other places and the spectral decay chart may be one of them showing such differences. FR charts are important to show tonality and identify resonances but it does not show sound presented as a whole. Some people here are assumes that FR would tell them everything, and that just isnt true. Now if there were studies of break ins that include before and after decay measurements it would be great. The aim here is to find out why people are experiencing break in, not shove their claims to one side. That is part of science.Can you define this “spectral decay”? To me it sounds exactly like the change, evolution of _frequency response_ in time - one set initially and changed over time?
And the point of argument is that neither you nor I are aware of [measurements of] such decay…
I really like this forum and every day I look at the new measurement-posts from Amir. The measurements are a valuable addition to the real truth around good-sounding hifi. In my opinion a dac or amplifier MUST measure well before you try to figure out how it sounds. Some think a Topping D10 sounds the same as a D90se, the only difference is the feature set. Well boys, I can tell you that a D90se combined with a PRE90 sounds absolutely stunning and a D10 or D50s certainly does not. I had them all. My conclusion: part of the truth can be found here but don’t stop listening yourself. BTW, my amplifier is a Hypex NCore 500mp box. I really read this forum very well.
Break ins do not exist they say. Break ins are inaudible they say. Here is a better one, ALL amplifiers sound the same. I LOLed hard.
My point is this, there is no reason to use FR as an indication or proof that break ins do not exist or isnt audible. The differences are not in found in the FR but other places and the spectral decay chart may be one of them showing such differences. FR charts are important to show tonality and identify resonances but it does not show sound presented as a whole. Some people here are assumes that FR would tell them everything, and that just isnt true. Now if there were studies of break ins that include before and after decay measurements it would be great. The aim here is to find out why people are experiencing break in, not shove their claims to one side. That is part of science.
Its not hard to find this exact statement on many threads in this forum. Let me qoute "all amps will sound the same under clipping levels when volume matched". You have not read such statements here in this forum?
Just proven my point. NOT all amps sound the same under clipping levels when volume matched. They SHOULD, but they dont.
The word salad excuse is a great way to hide. Off you go.The word salad at its best. Nothing else. Count me out [of this discussion].
The aim here is to find out why people are experiencing break in, not shove their claims to one side. That is part of science.
Until it is more than unsubstantiated claims, don't expect much enthusiasm. Are you completely discounting the idea that it really could just be 'simple' bias at play.
I'm not sure why you feel like it would be 'our' job to prove what generally isn't accepted to be real? Why wouldn't that proof be up to the claimants to provide?
By the way, with 27,000+ members and over 900,000 posts, you're likely to find a member of some kind saying nearly anything. If you want to debate an individual, find something they've said that you disagree with, not throw random uncited forum posts out as points of out of context argument.
Speaking of which your generally argumentative and aggressive tone could get dialed back if you are actually after good faith discussion.
Looks like there is no discusion goin on in this thread. Everyone that pops up to testify about their break in experience is told that biasness and their brain is causing that to happen and nothing more regardless what situation. That isnt a discussion imo.
Looks like there is no discusion goin on in this thread. Everyone that pops up to testify about their break in experience is told that their biasness and brain are causing that to happen and nothing more regardless what situation. That isnt a discussion imo.
If there was a real need for me to validate it for myself...I guess I might want to measure it somehow. Part of science is observation. You can measure all you want but at the end of the day, the final verdict...whether a speaker gets to market...is a bunch if people agreeing that, yeah...OK, it sounds really good.Ok story heard, but any measurements showing the same night and day differences?
Nope. One side has no evidence to show that break ins do happen while the other side asks for evidence.One side has no evidence to show that break ins do happen, another side keeps harping on FR to justify that it doesnt. Great.
I recall from this very thread that there is indeed a change of driver properties when first used, but this happens in matter of minutes or so. Small changes that might not be particularly audible at that.One side has no evidence to show that break ins do happen, another side keeps harping on FR to justify that it doesnt. Great.