Audyssey's Next Generation of Room Correction (MultEQ-X)

[sarumbear]

They do not do the same. You keep presenting false equivalences.

There is nothing false about what I said or posted. Have you considered that you may not be understanding what I am saying and/or you are simply not happy to pay?

I update my AVRs every 5-6 years and the amount in question is nothing compared the cost of the equipment in my HT. To me this is a non-issue.

 

[sarumbear]

Also I have to be on the internet then open the app for it to function.

That is required naturally in order to validate your license.

 

[beren777]

There is nothing false about what I said or posted. Have you considered that you may not be understanding what I am saying and/or you are simply not happy to pay?

I update my AVRs every 5-6 years and the amount in question is nothing compared the cost of the equipment in my HT. To me this is a non-issue.

False? Not completely. Meaningfully misleading? Yes.

I'm glad it's a non-issue to you. God bless and enjoy.

 

[jhaider]

Apple, Tesla, they all do the same, but as you said they do it in away that they do not alienate people.

You may be right about Tesla. I don’t know one way or the other because I didn’t buy FSD or acceleration boost with mine.

You are wrong as to Apple. One doesn’t have to re-buy media when one gets a new AppleTV. When we upgraded our iPhone X models to 13 pro max all of our “free” and paid software, including incidentally the Audyssey App, just migrated over.

I do think the licensing terms may depress uptake, unless it has some really useful features, such as more sophisticated bass control or… ? (Not sure what else they need really). Does it?

 

[sarumbear]

You are wrong as to Apple.

Try selling your Apple device and see how many paid software continued to work on it…

 

[jhaider]

Try selling your Apple device and see how many paid software continued to work on it…

Out of scope. Let me reframe.

One reasonable approach is for the license to follow the tangible product. Subsequent buyers enjoy that license over the lifespan of the product. Dirac follows that approach.

The other reasonable approach is for the license to follow the user. This approach is used by, e.g. Apple, Microsoft, FuzzMeasure, etc. If you get a new MacBook, you can legally install MS Office that you had on your old Mac (for example) on the new Mac.

Here, it looks like the license is simply rented by the user for the time period where that user has that certain product. That is considerably less consumer friendly than the other two options above.

 

[sweetchaos]

Audyssey MultEQ-X Q&A with Jeff Clark

by @joentell

Streamed 6hrs ago...55min long.
Haven't watched it yet. Just saw it.

UPDATE:
I found out that JoeNTell is going to release a series of tutorial videos talking about MultEQ-X, from this website.
Im not sure if this will be paid or free?
I'm guessing Joe will release more info later.

 

[Sancus]

That is either a misunderstanding, misinformation, or a pandemic-era correction of previous bad behavior. Audyssey did impose their midrange voicing choice (some might say error) on everyone using their "reference" curve.

Yeah I'm not sure what's confusing about MRC. Audyssey EQs to a target curve. If you put a dip in that target curve, then it will not EQ if your speaker already has that dip. But if your speaker DOESN'T have that dip, then it will try to EQ it in.

The whole MRC thing is basically Audyssey deciding "EQing crossover dips flat is bad, and most speakers will have them in this area, so lets not." Which actually shoots people with good 3-ways or coaxials right in the foot, among others.

As it is, they are effectively giving everyone 200 reasons to buy a Dirac-enabled Onkyo instead for their next upgrade.

Yes, I think they've fucked up their pricing model. For people with older AVRs, who might get a better experience and decide to stick with Denon, why would they spend $200 when they're going to buy a new AVR in the next couple of years and then be forced to re-buy the software?

 

[Datec]

Ok so all bickering aside. Kinda makes me feel like I just waisted $200.

For what's it's worth if I had an older possibly out dated unit I wouldn't have bought it and if and when I sell this one I don't care about if the buyer has or dosent have access to this version of EQ, they can buy it if they want.

 

[Steve Dallas]

I REALLY wanted this to be along the lines of Dirac, which I use on my main workstation in my study and my music laptop in my media room. I also have the MultiEQ app on my Android phone and tablet, and I have experienced reasonably good success with it, after spending many hours of measuring with the included Denon mic, then re-measuring with my UMIK-1 and REW, then tweaking the target curve, re-measuring, re-tweaking, re-measuring, repeat, repeat, repeat over a few days with an empty home.

I can do a lot of that in my spare time before I start to think $200 might be worth it per AVR--especially if I use it as an excuse to drink good beer.

With Dirac, the calibration process takes a few hours on exactly 1 day--all with the same calibrated mic. AND, the PC version of Dirac Live Standalone license extends to something like 5 PCs in the same household, with a lot of flexibility, at a cost of $350.

The only thing this gains me, other than time, is sub integration that Dirac cannot have in my use cases, but that is not to say it is not possible in other use cases.

For those concerned about the usability of the $20 MultiEQ app, things get much more precise with the addition of a $12 Bluetooth mouse and especially a tablet-sized screen.

This is where things sit after several iterations with the far less expensive, more time consuming MultiEQ app / REW process described above. Not bad at all IMHO. Should I find the time, I could improve it even more, but it sounds damn good to me now.

 

[Megaken]

"Licenses are per-user and per-AVR-serial-number, and are non-transferrable."

$200 per AVR, non-transferable to a new buyer, and not usable on a new AVR? That's going to be a deal breaker for many people, possibly for me. It's a shockingly consumer unfriendly move.

right, like what if my AVR breaks tomorrow and I need to get a new one

 

[fieldcar]

right, like what if my AVR breaks tomorrow and I need to get a new one

I think they did say they would make exceptions for failed avr's. But I could be wrong.

 

[fieldcar]

Who else is getting this error?



EDIT: Nevermind. Got it. I must have had the wrong region selected somehow. I blame @sweetchaos

 

[Dj7675]

Link to Microsoft Store shows a few screenshots:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/p/multeq-x/9p0smvdtvhqj?activetab=pivot:eek:verviewtab#

EDIT: This is the link to the Canadian Store, not sure if this will work elsewhere.

Wow, manual eq. That is a nice addition. Looks rather nice.

 

[Dj7675]

It will not. They stated so explicitly.

Not sure about the quality of the included mic, but a fail IMO not to allow a usb mic...

 

[fieldcar]

Not sure about the quality of the included mic, but a fail IMO not to allow a usb mic...

I agree.

They did address this and said that the denon measuring mic transducer is identical to the mic that's in something like a UMIK-1, but in a plastic shell. I'd say that this is really stretching the truth there, since you don't have unique mic calibration files, and the plastic will resonate.

 

[Dj7675]

I agree.

They did address this and said that the denon measuring mic transducer is identical to the mic that's in something like a UMIK-1, but in a plastic shell. I'd say that this is really stretching the truth there, since you don't have unique mic calibration files, and the plastic will resonate.

It will be interesting... its just a matter of time when someone will measure with the included mic, and compare it with a UMIK-1 measurement, so this is something that can and am sure will be tested/verified.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Not sure about the quality of the included mic, but a fail IMO not to allow a usb mic...

The Audyssey guy stated that using a USB mic would not be possible for timing reasons.

 

[sweetchaos]

Link to user guide:

https://audyssey.com/MultEQ-X%20User%20Guide.pdf

 

[Haint]

Here is one scenario for not relying on Pioneer AVRs...

To be fair it's a $350 9-channel 2018 model that saw contemporaneous Denon's (like the X3500) also measuring poorly--nevermind all the boutique NAD/Anthem models that have also bench tested horribly. The 2021 models may or may not pass the Audio Precision's muster, but barring some aspect that's completely broken, equalization quality will trump dubiously audible bench results many many many times over.