Audyssey Manual Calibration “OCA’s REW + Audyssey Awesomeness”

[OCA]

Combining the two could bring Audyssey to a near Dirac Live level

You will need to combine the worst parts of the two to come near that level

 

[PHD]

It's been out for months

Out where? It's not on Google Play or Windows Store

It's been out for months

I was looking for it on Google Play and Windows Store and couldn't find anything. Then I found this:

True Target Pro

The True Target Pro license allows all of the same features as True Target standard but with the additional benefits of calibrating up to 128 channels and exporting to REW.

magicbeansaudio.com

So, True Target is the license for Magic Beans or is it a different app? I can only guess that you could use Magic Beans free to take the measurements but you'll need "True target" to calculate the optimum target curves for each speaker? Do you still need the Calibration tool BD or does the final version of MB now include the tone generator?

Thanks

 

[PHD]

@OCA, do Android users still need MultiEQ v1.7.2 with the latest Evo version or could you use the newest v1.1.11?

(I have backups for all versions from 1.7.2 to 1.1.11)

 

[Mattknz]

@OCA, do Android users still need MultiEQ v1.7.2 with the latest Evo version or could you use the newest v1.1.11?

(I have backups for all versions from 1.7.2 to 1.1.11)

I've had to go back to 1.7.2, but others say that 1.11.1 works for them. Give it a try I guess.

 

[OCA]

@OCA, do Android users still need MultiEQ v1.7.2 with the latest Evo version or could you use the newest v1.1.11?

(I have backups for all versions from 1.7.2 to 1.1.11)

Evo takes care of most known bugs of 1.1.11 but there might be still unknown bugs. Better safe than sorry. There is no known advantage of 1.11 to 1.7 AFAIK.

 

[Hyacin]

I've used Evo twice now doing quick 3-pt cals as I finalize the treatment of my room (and wait for my M23R) and LOVE IT! Great job! I was surprised after running the cal for a day to go in and see that the crossovers were WAY high, I think one of them was like 110 Hz for a speaker pair A1 was setting to 60 Hz iirc, but given that it's just a 'for now' cal and I'm sure it makes sense with the data, I just left it as was

The Evo cals sound incredible!

 

[Daniel0]

Hello,
i have commented on the A1 Evo Video on YT having problems with my Desk Setup.
I tried the newest v2_3x but I'm not really happy with the result.

I already limited the freqmap setting to max 100hz crossover because it was doing 150hz before.

Is there any way i can help? I could provide my raw measurements and the log of A1 evo.

 

[viper900]

Can I use Dynamic Volume with the DEQ variant of the script or will it mess up the sound profile?

I've always had Dynamic Volume on Low with my baseline Audyssey profile and felt it worked well.

With DV off, I have to crank the volume of the speaker to -15 to be able to hear, versus -20 with DV low.

I have also found the bass to be limited for this script unless I enable Dynamic EQ Reference.

 

[OCA]

Can I use Dynamic Volume with the DEQ variant of the script or will it mess up the sound profile?

I've always had Dynamic Volume on Low with my baseline Audyssey profile and felt it worked well.

With DV off, I have to crank the volume of the speaker to -15 to be able to hear, versus -20 with DV low.

I have also found the bass to be limited for this script unless I enable Dynamic EQ Reference.

it's because your speakers sensitivity is too low for these moderate power AVRs. I have the same problem and I need up to -10 volume levels (95dB) to get the best effect knowing that these units start adding distortion at these levels. If you like the sound with DV, of course you can use it. It's actually a very sophisticated tool, reads the tracks forward and aligns volume for the upcoming sound.

 

[PHD]

it's because your speakers sensitivity is too low for these moderate power AVRs. I have the same problem and I need up to -10 volume levels (95dB) to get the best effect knowing that these units start adding distortion at these levels. If you like the sound with DV, of course you can use it. It's actually a very sophisticated tool, reads the tracks forward and aligns volume for the upcoming sound.

DV effect is horrible on music and YouTube videos when you have dialog and background sound effects. I only use it for late-night movie screenings. I doubt the algorithm reads ahead more than a few samples because it doesn't cause audio/video sync issues.

As for the low speaker sensitivity, I just turn up the source input level/trim to +12dB for all sources and set the DEQ to 15dB (DV off) which gives the best overall results.

 

[Palmspar]

If you can use dynamic volume with A1 Evo is nice, i use that sometimes.
The MultEQ app android sets the subwoofer levels way to low compared to the setup in the avr itself 5-6 db diferent or so.
Does A1 Evo compensate for that?

Edit: use A1 Evo 2.3 today it works good and set the sub volume levels way better then the MultiEQ app did before, compared to the setup from the receiver itself.

 

[PHD]

It's been a while since I tried the EVO script. I'll give it another try with my dual SB2000 pre-calibrated using MSO and MINIDSP, as soon as the new V3.0x is released. I hope the 6m distance limit issue is fixed by now.

 

[ooheadsoo]

I'm using v3 and the bass is good, but the different phase settings it wants for the subwoofers make it difficult to a/b test against older persons. No question it's preferable to plain audyssey.

 

[Hyacin]

It's been a while since I tried the EVO script. I'll give it another try with my dual SB2000 pre-calibrated using MSO and MINIDSP, as soon as the new V3.0x is released. I hope the 6m distance limit issue is fixed by now.

Hopefully not to hijack, just a quick aside - if they're SB Pros - do you do the internal per-sub EQ first, then MSO, then Audyssey? I'll have PBs soon and I'm struggling to figure out/plan the best way to use all those EQ options and combinations!

 

[PHD]

Hopefully not to hijack, just a quick aside - if they're SB Pros - do you do the internal per-sub EQ first, then MSO, then Audyssey? I'll have PBs soon and I'm struggling to figure out/plan the best way to use all those EQ options and combinations!

It's the old SB2000, not the pro. I first disable Audyssey in the AVR and reset all levels/trims to 0. Then take multi-sub/seat measurements + timings using REW and Umik-1 (subs are connected to the 2x4HD and configured as a single sub in the AVR). PC running REW is connected to the AVR (sound mode set to direct mode, stereo) via HDMI.

Then I load the measurements to MSO and let it do its thing and load the filters/results to the MiniDSP.

Finally, I run Audyssey app to take 8 measurements and send the ady file to the PC and run the EVO script. The last time I tried that with v1.6 I got the 6m limit issue, so I used the original ady file. I hope that this time the script and REW know how to avoid hitting the limit when a MiniDSP is used (the original Audyssey app does not cause this issue but came close with a 5.4m max distance difference) .

 

[OCA]

A1 Evo v3x is out:

 

[antcollinet]

A1 Evo v3x is out:

I got the warning to inveret the sub. I have no invert option, but do have phase 0 to 180.

I assume setting this to 180 is a sufficient alternative?


EDIT - I don't know @OCA what it is you are doing, but it is incredible. The first version was an amazing step up from what I could do with the basic Audessey measurement, and trying to draw my own target on a tiny screen.

Unbelievably EVO feels like almost the same step up again.

I know, I know - I sound like the typical audiophool talking about veils being lifted over and over.... But here we are.

 

[PHD]

I hope that at some point, EVO will support taking direct REW measurements using UMIK. I understand that there is a lot of required standardization to make this possible, as @OCA has mentioned, but that would truly be a game changer that could increase Denon/Marantz sales and make the Dirac Live people lose a lot of sleep...

@OCA, If REW can process Audyssey measurements, why can't it recreate them?

 

[antcollinet]

I hope that at some point, EVO will support taking direct REW measurements using UMIK. I understand that there is a lot of required standardization to make this possible, as @OCA has mentioned, but that would truly be a game changer that could increase Denon/Marantz sales and make the Dirac Live people lose a lot of sleep...

@OCA, If REW can process Audyssey measurements, why can't it recreate them?

Well one of the challenges is going to be getting REW to drive all the speakers via a typical PC setup. Audyssey (and Evo) are happily processing 7.4.4 channels.

 

[OCA]

I hope that at some point, EVO will support taking direct REW measurements using UMIK. I understand that there is a lot of required standardization to make this possible, as @OCA has mentioned, but that would truly be a game changer that could increase Denon/Marantz sales and make the Dirac Live people lose a lot of sleep...

@OCA, If REW can process Audyssey measurements, why can't it recreate them?

Measurements can indeed be taken remotely with the API but it requires REW pro upgrade.