I never make it past his opening sentence, the one with the bizarre emphasis on the word "am."
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Audiophiliac gives Audio Science Review channel a plug
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Yep, and he is proud of being subjective. When he mentions ASR at 2:45 he makes it clear that if what you are looking for is measurements...come here. It seems like he says that what we do is fine....but it not his approach to audio.
He uses Klipsch speakers to illustrate how his approach differs. There are several Klipsch models he really likes, and many other subjective reviewers like these models too. Yet, here, Klipsch generally gets bad panthers. Is that OK? Or must we defend the objective truth of spinorama by informing our acquaintances who own and love them how mistaken they are.
Is it OK to have subjective opinions of our own audio gear? I picture the scene in Spinal Tap where Nigel shows off a guitar he has never touched. Does taking ASR philosophy to the extreme mean we can buy gear but never use it because that would induce subjective opinions and we might tell someone those opinions
There seems to be particular scorn at ASR for subjective reviews of DACs. Since well designed DACs measure near perfect, one could argue that the benefit of ASR DAC reviews has been reduced to identifying those few models that are poorly designed. If you are into the gear, that is not enough information to make a buying decision. Other subjective sites tell a lot more about unique features, build quality, brand story, and even how these add up to provide a biased subjective view of how they sound. I like having both kinds of reviews available. I do wish the subjective and objective teams could be more friendly. Steve seems to take a stab at that here, but I have no illusions that he is about to change sides.
LOL great movie
beagleman
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I liked his stuff for a bit, but he never makes a point, nor can even stay on topic, or efficiently get TO the topic at hand. His conversation style works IN PERSON, but not on video, where the viewer is BORED within 3-5 minutes....!
beagleman
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Yep, and he is proud of being subjective. When he mentions ASR at 2:45 he makes it clear that if what you are looking for is measurements...come here. It seems like he says that what we do is fine....but it not his approach to audio.
He uses Klipsch speakers to illustrate how his approach differs. There are several Klipsch models he really likes, and many other subjective reviewers like these models too. Yet, here, Klipsch generally gets bad panthers. Is that OK? Or must we defend the objective truth of spinorama by informing our acquaintances who own and love them how mistaken they are.
Is it OK to have subjective opinions of our own audio gear? I picture the scene in Spinal Tap where Nigel shows off a guitar he has never touched. Does taking ASR philosophy to the extreme mean we can buy gear but never use it because that would induce subjective opinions and we might tell someone those opinions
There seems to be particular scorn at ASR for subjective reviews of DACs. Since well designed DACs measure near perfect, one could argue that the benefit of ASR DAC reviews has been reduced to identifying those few models that are poorly designed. If you are into the gear, that is not enough information to make a buying decision. Other subjective sites tell a lot more about unique features, build quality, brand story, and even how these add up to provide a biased subjective view of how they sound. I like having both kinds of reviews available. I do wish the subjective and objective teams could be more friendly. Steve seems to take a stab at that here, but I have no illusions that he is about to change sides.
I think I can relate. I LOVE measurements, I really do, but.......................
I have heard so many things that would not measure well, but were truly interesting, fun to listen to, or enjoyable overall, despite not being ruler flat or neutral or having really low noise or distortion.
Not abandoning measurements, obviously, but feel there is accurate stuff, and there is enjoyable stuff. It does not have to be mutually exclusive.
Robin L
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When he wrote at Cnet there was a lot more editing. Didn't have to look at him, didn't have to hear him. Cnet seems to be out of audio, save wireless headphones. The market for old-fashioned audio gear is dying off, literally.
I'm curious what you mean by this. Care to expand on it?
Robin L
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Sure, the notion of the great big stereo with huge speakers as a status item is dying off with the generation that was most involved with it [us boomers] dying off.
Its not fairness, its about not isolating potential viewers. He worked out quite a few folks think differently about audio now and its best not to shut them out when you want subscribers and views .
This is however progress even if inevitably its inspired by self interest.
He’s amiable enough, and positive and enthusiastic, which is nice. Like Fremer, though, his whole listening environment is a chaotic mess. That gives me agita. I listen to music to relax.
The mad scientist haircut?
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Yea he reminds of that mad scientist from Independence Day movie. Kinda looks like him doesn’t he.The mad scientist haircut?
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I would love to understand all your measurements here because I learned that I really don't like the Darkos and Audiophiliacs... So I'm stuck between two worlds. I make exceptions for a channel called A british audiophile. He takes a lot of time to get to the point but it seems to me he has a lot of technical knowledge (I don't have) paired to a good portion of honesty.
Robin L
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Poor Data. Brent Spiner tried so hard to shake the Data typecasting that he went too far the other way.
Guttenberg has a philosophy of wanting people to have decent systems so that they can become enthusiasts. Measurements would help him with that worthy goal by identifying inexpensive stuff that works well.
Rick “afraid he’s furthering the 70’s stereo-nut old hippie image many of us have to overcome” Denney
I used to work with a guy who looked identical to this guy, except with a shaved head. I told him this, and he showed me an old pic when he had long hair, and it was a perfect match.
I had not heard of him before but just watched a few of his videos. He does bring good technical depth to topics but is not afraid of moving past what is supported and proper stance of audio science and proper engineering. As such, you can easily be misled by what he is saying. His great British accent and eloquent speaking can appeal to one's softer side to believe what one should not.
Agreed. I read somewhere that Spiner hated acting his Data character in the new Picard series.
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