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I'm going to send the PHI. The 1266 is my main rig. : (@danielmiessler Hey you going to send in the PHI and TC ?
Where do I find the address?
I'm going to send the PHI. The 1266 is my main rig. : (@danielmiessler Hey you going to send in the PHI and TC ?
Niiiiice. PM @amirm and he will give you the info.I'm going to send the PHI. The 1266 is my main rig. : (
Where do I find the address?
I'm going to send the PHI. The 1266 is my main rig. : (
Where do I find the address?
This is the way.Then when you get the PHI back you send the TC !
This is the way.
What is your alternative to the idea of "evidence"? Your position is untenable.Apologies gents, I tend to get my back up when I see or hear 'peer review' as support for 'truth'. You may claim that my position is untenable or "stupid", but many in the sciences agree with my view. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here. I'll leave it at that.
What is your alternative to the idea of "evidence"? Your position is untenable.
I tried many cables unfortunately. Stock cables from manufactures and solid engineered cables(under 100dollars) shit all over the audio jewelery. It is science and good engineering design. Oh yeah, I am a RME adi-2dac fellow using it for headphone amplifier as well.I propose an easier test
Request a whole bunch of manufacturers and DIYers to send you their unmarked cables. Then after you score them and upload the result in a password-protected zip file, tell them to reveal their asking prices.
The baking/pastry side of cooking relies heavily upon measurements...Hey there's a bakery named that where i live (DC)
If measurement were all that mattered there would be no reason for double-blind testing, because that's subjective.
It would just be a matter of figuring out which measurements a particular person liked better.
I was going to get:
- dCS Vivaldi DAC
- Dan D'Agostino Progression Pre-Amp
- Dan D'Agostino Progression Stereo Amp
- Focal Sopra No. 2 Speakers
This is exactly the type of comparison I'm worried about with this forum. There are experiences in driving a $200,000 car vs. driving a $20,000 car. How the car smells. How stable it feels. How it feels when shifting. Etc.
If we were to measure with a checkbox, "Did the Porsche get you to point A?, and did the Kia get you to point A?", then they would both be "equal".
He has them!@danielmiessler Hey you going to send in the PHI and TC ?
Yeh, you set me up for two more battles! To get ready, I have been working out just like Rocky so that when the time comes, I am ready!He has them!
You say you read this site... Here we strongly believe in Genelec / Neumann / ME Geithain / etc. Active speakers with DSP.
They will measure better than what you listed above, while cheaper.
Measurements, measurements, measurements.
8361s, killer. And invest the difference.You could take half of the $70K and get Kii3 with BXT, or Genelec 8351b with the W371A woofer. Maybe I'm just cheap.
Right, and if you are paying for high end cables, you are also buying the highest markup items they sell to help keep the vendor's doors open.
Aybss just posted a video about "Why Cables Cost So Much" It justifies the cost due to the precious materials used, the high cost of skilled labor to assemble them, and also the fact that some people will pay for nice things. As a lifelong seller of consumer electronics....I know that the first two parts are mostly bunk. Materials and labor make up a very tiny part of cable retail prices. It is true, some people will pay for nice things. Note the following exchange with Abyss in the comments:
Me: If you are discussing why nice cables cost so much there should be a discussion of your mark-up to sell price. Do cables have a profit margin of 100%? 500%? 1000%? More? How do these profit margins compare to the markup on Abyss headphones? Thing is, high end headphones are very competitive...people have choices and can easily compare value. With high end power cords it is much harder to compare. I sold stereos for years and cables were the highest mark up category by far. I understand you do not live in a castle....but that does not answer the markup/price question. How many power cords would you have to sell to become a castle person?
ABYSS Headphones: The more important question when your self-employed and can’t depend on a regular paycheck is how many do you have to sell to maintain a business, pay your employees, pay the suppliers, pay the rent, and keep the lights on, and in the end after taxes, health insurance, etc. have enough left to live on.
Me: Good Point. I believe you. I bet that was true of the stores I worked at too. I am not sure how my customer's would have reacted if I told them that we have to sell a bunch of super high markup cables in order to keep the lights on. But, if you are going to make a video about why cable prices are high, perhaps you should have included that part if it is the more important answer.
I do feel for AV business owners. Most of the AV retailers I worked for are out of business. On the other hand, the guys I seldom question on price are the installers/integrators/trunk slammers who I know will answer my call at 11PM on a weekend if I have a problem with my install. They deserve my loyalty. Others must compete on price. I think it was foolish for Abyss to address the topic of cable prices if they could not be honest about it.
more than happy with Utopias and the Sennheiser display case. No need for more, unless Stax beckons with Lambdas. If better exists, I can't discern it. Abyss comes off as absurd from a mile away.Abyss products are sold on the idea of high end. To that end they deliver using marketing and design. Abyss would have no use for being scrutinized on objective quality. Nor would the objective-minded community benefit from it, the measurements he have are just enough.
Not quite. What they would do is pull out 30 pages of positive testimonials from *insert audio forum of choice* . "See!"
Just curious: why not prove who is right once and for all by conducting a proper study which would finally put the issue to rest? The bottom line is that the issue can only TRULY be answered by conducting such a study. All other evidence is merely circumstantial if the question is whether people prefer one over another. It is very unlikely, but entirely possible, that there are things at play that are not being considered. Again, very unlikely, but theoretically possible. The question is about personal preference and there is only one SCIENTIFIC way to put that issue to rest, as the original poster suggested. At one point in history, people could absolutely not conceive of a non-flat earth. To those who suggested it was round, all the flat earth people joked and laughed together. They used to push marbles off a balloon to show what happens when the marble reaches the end and then they'd say "i guess i'm falling too and just don't know it". I jest, but seriously, the issue is PREFERENCE, and there is only one way to decide it -- all else is strong evidence but not conclusive. Also, people here accept that the mind plays a lot tricks. What if some of these products DO actually make music sound better to a majority of people do the psychological aspects (of which we understand very little). Perhaps when we are happier with the look of our system, we appreciate sound differently. Who knows. Testing is the only way, imo.