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All About UFO's

In fact, everything predicted by general relativity that we have the means to confirm has been confirmed, including things Einstein thought were unreasonable.

To get around general relativity, you really have to assume that existence is a sim, and something outside the sim is jerking us around, and doesn’t care if the NPCs notice.
 
In fact, everything predicted by general relativity that we have the means to confirm has been confirmed, including things Einstein thought were unreasonable.
Including, but not limited to, black holes that GR predicted, but quantum level effects such as entanglement. The fact that someone as creative as he was could still decide some things were just too weird to admit existed, is telling.
To get around general relativity, you really have to assume that existence is a sim, and something outside the sim is jerking us around, and doesn’t care if the NPCs notice.
Various physicists (Nima Arkani-Hamed et al) have come to the conclusion spacetime is not fundamental and there's far more to learn. Some going so far as to claim spacetime is "doomed" to use their words. I'm especially interested in the work of Dr Hoffman as he applies it to consciousness. Are you aware of his work? He has lectures on line 2-3 hours long if interested, but here's a quickie:

 
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Including, but not limited to, black holes that GR predicted, but quantum level effects such as entanglement. The fact that someone as creative as he was could still decide some things were just too weird to admit existed, is telling.

Various physicists (Nima Arkani-Hamed et al) have come to the conclusion spacetime is not fundamental and there's far more to learn. Some going so far as to claim spacetime is "doomed" to use their words. I'm especially interested in the work of Dr Hoffman as he applies it to consciousness. Are you aware of his work? He has lectures on line 2-3 hours long if interested, but here's a quickie:

Oh Wow.
 

I suspect your physics background is more extensive than mine. I understand the "big picture" concepts pretty well, the maffs way over my head. My background is more in the biological sciences, but have a personal interest/fascination with high level/theoretical physics and such. On topic to this thread, I suspect it all ties into the UAP/NHI phenomena. To be clear, spacetime not being fundamental and "doomed" is not woo woo science but what's being deeply explored now. Nima Arkani-Hamed, theoretical physicist from Princeton gave a great lecture on it:

 
Nothing with those performance capabilities will be mundane. Of that you can be sure.
We don't know what is being seen - don't forget that "we don't 'kin know" If we don't know what we are looking at, we don't know if there are any performance capabilities. It may not be a physical object at all.

Your statement here is just more speculation. As long as we don't know what we are looking at THE ONLY STATEMENT WE CAN MAKE is : We Don't Know. Any statement you make that is not backed up by actual evidence that can be touched and seen is just making things worse. Just in case you are tempted, youtube vids are not evidence.


The problem here is you are coming across as someone who desperately "wants to believe". The perception you create is that you bend everything you see to that wish.

This may not be how it is - but that *is* how it comes across, at least to me.


I'm gonna leave the discussion here. It is just another colossal waste of time.
 
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Some going so far as to claim spacetime is "doomed" to use their words. I'm especially interested in the work of Dr Hoffman as he applies it to consciousness.
I’m all for space-time not being fundamental, but the tie to consciousness in that video is just preposterous. It’s just a logical fallacy of false equivalence.
 
I'm not repeating what has been posted in this thread because you're new to it, and apparently not looked into the topic you felt comfortable commenting on. That seems a common theme so far, and I find it unfortunate. Anyway, an article by one of the pilots discusses aspects of what he and others experienced, and a call for less stigma and BS and more research. I'd add he also has a degree in aerospace engineering:

As a Former Fighter Pilot Who Encountered UAP, We Need Science—Not Stigmas and Conspiracies—to Solve This Mystery​


Ryan Graves is a former Navy fighter pilot and Chair of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) UAP Integration & Outreach Committee (UAPIOC). The following commentary is in response to a series of recent Op-Eds published in the Wall Street Journal by columnist Holman Jenkins, who named Ryan directly in his October critique. The author’s opinions expressed here are his own and do not necessarily reflect those of The Debrief.

A MAJOR BARRIER to our understanding of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) is not just government secrecy: it’s stigma.

Conspiracy theories like those perpetuated by Holman Jenkins in his recent Wall Street Journal columns, under titles like “UFO ‘Mystery’ Shouldn’t Drag On,” “The UFO Bubble Goes Pop,” and, most recently (and perhaps his most unhinged), “The UFO Crowd Wants an Alien Invasion for Christmas,” only help breed the stigma that hinders the very kind of scientific approaches he agrees are needed to resolve the UAP mystery.

Jenkins offers the idea that maybe a secret military laser program is being tested on active-duty pilots in midflight, deceiving them—and their infrared and radar sensors—into observing UAP by “creating plasma bubbles in the air.” Jenkins also says the DoD “may know exactly what they are” when the Department’s own UAP report to Congress says they do not. He has even gone so far as to say that recent momentum on this issue is due to “intelligence officials who think their job includes promoting false and tendentious information to the American public for their own purposes,” without offering any idea as to what those purposes might be, then accuses advocates of believing that “aliens are a Jesus stand-in.”

This kind of cynical speculation gives rise to the stigma that has long surrounded UAP. Not only does it have a chilling effect on military and commercial pilots coming forward, but it also discourages scientists from pursuing funding to study these phenomena.

I know firsthand that the fear of this stigma is a major issue because I was the first active-duty pilot to come forward publicly about regular sightings of UAP, and it was not easy. I have seen mysterious targets on radar myself and have spoken with pilots who have experienced near misses with mysterious objects off the Eastern Seaboard, which prompted unsafe evasive actions and mandatory safety reports. I spoke out about these incidents publicly in 2019—at great risk both to me personally, and to my profession—because nothing was being done.

Cont: https://thedebrief.org/as-a-former-...piracies-to-solve-this-mystery/#sq_h9nlonbc6j

Ah yes, the highly credible 'expert witness' Ryan Graves, who surprise surprise is now appearing on incredibly (literally) compelling scripted-'reality'/fantasy trash-TV show...The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch (basically Ghost Hunters with Aliens, and if you're lucky...Dinobeavers!), along with all his other grifter / wacko paranormal pals. What an utter joke.


 
Ah yes, the highly credible 'expert witness' Ryan Graves,
Yes, he is. That he's decided to go on some TV show has no impact on that. Did you even watch it? Probably not. He simply tells his (well corroborated...) experiences and get his opinion on what they filmed, which was interesting. I don't have an opinion/position on Skinwalker Ranch as I have not really looked into it much, show or otherwise.
 
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Yes, he is. That he's decided to go on some TV show has no impact on that. Did you even watch it? Probably not. He simply tells his (well corroborated...) experiences and get his opinion on what they filmed, which was interesting. I don't have an opinion/position on Skinwalker Ranch as I have not really looked into it much, show or otherwise.
Lol. Strange, my e-mail notification has you saying "Skinwalker ranch is an interesting and whole different topic."
 
Remember, they must be lying, delusional, or unable to tell birds and balloons from craft both on their radar and eyeballs. Sarcasm asides, I found the discussion of the responses to his experiences vs the experiences themselves:

Pilot Mark Hulsey is a former F/A-18 Hornet turned commercial pilot who has encountered UAP multiple times in his 12,000 hours of flight time. Frustrated, Mark questions why these phenomena are not openly investigated and reflects on the backlash he has received, mysteriously missing radar footage, and why everyone has the right to know what’s happening.

===TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Intro0:50 Mark’s Military Background5:00 First UAP Encounter26:11 Mark’s Career Now28:40 Memorable UAP Sighting49:40 Backlash from skeptics52:22 Actual Radar Footage54:14 Steps to Expanding Our Understanding58:16 People have the Right to Know1:08:43 Gathering Data1:14:04 How Common This Is1:18:39 Conclusion

 
12,000 hours. No pictures?

I got a picture Wednesday.

Took a while to identify it, since there are two, that look the same from a distance.

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Incredibly, it made no sound I could hear.

There was no visible means of propulsion.

There were two humanoids inside it.

At times it would completely disappear, and then reappear in another location.
 
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That's an area of vast importance that makes even the believers uncomfortable. Are aware of Jacques Vallée work? He's been at it longer than anyone, and was spurned by both UFO community and mainstream science due to his conclusions in that area. There's a lot from him and about him, but I thought this summed it up well. It's quite possible the UFO/UAP phenomena is a lot stranger then we even understand at this time:


This youtube talk mentioned Jacques Vallée
 
In the end we do not really know anything for certain other than that there has been reporting from 'things that are not identified'.
Same as in 'subjective audio'... reporting of perceived quality differences but nothing of it is proven (by science) as facts except when the reports are backed up with measurements.
In audio there thus are UAP's too... Unverified Audio Performance
 
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