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About the choice of Revel F226Be, Kef R7 Meta and Perlisten R5t

terryforsythe said:
I'm partial to concentric drivers. So, I would go with the KEFs.

The reason I like concentric drivers is that there is not a dip in the frequency response at the midrange/tweeter crossover point when I am not on axis vertically, which is an issue for speakers that are not concentric. Oftentimes I listen to music when I am not seated in my listening chair, so to me vertical off-axis response is important.

But, if the speakers are only going to be used when you are seated in your listening chair, then all three speakers should sound good based on their measurements (I have not heard them, though).
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I haven't heard any of these speakers. Based however on the immense pleasure provided by my lowly JBL LSR 308 helped by a pair of subwoofers; those subwoofers are EQ and DSP's by miniDSP and MSO, REW, I would go with the Revel f226BE...
Same family and same design philosophy.
I do like what a concentric driver arrangement brings to the table, but based on my experience with the earlier LS50 ... although these were set-up during my pre-ASR days..
still, I would go Revel plus serious subS, with serious outboard DSP (miniDSP 2x4 HD + MSO and REW Software).

Peace.
 
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FrantzM said:
with serious outboard DSP (mniDSP 2x4 HD + MSO and REW Software).
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I agree that DSP is a game changer. I use a miniDSP Flex HTx in my family room, and just this morning got Camilla DSP implementing EQ/room correction for my office speakers. Both systems benefit significantly from DSP.
 
Kind of think it's a question of what you want, and what will play best in your room. Personally, I'm team KEF. I own LS 50 Metas for L-R, OG LS 50's for SL-SR, and HTC 3001 SE for my center. The one thing I can tell you is 15 sq meters is a smaller room and I'm not sure a wider dispersion speakers like the Revels (which I have the utmost respect for) would necessarily work well given all the room reflection you would get (could make everything seem overbright). But your best bet is to listen. Don't know much about Perlisten. Have not personally heard any of their models, but I have heard both the OG Salons and the Salon 2's. and the Gems, and the F36's. I've also head the Kef 104's, so I've heard quite a few of them as well.
 
FrantzM said:
I haven't heard any of these speakers. Based however on the immense pleasure provided by my lowly JBL LSR 308 helped by a pair of subwoofers; those subwoofers are EQ and DSP's by miniDSP and MSO, REW, I would go with the Revel f226BE...
Same family and same design philosophy.
I do like what a concentric driver brings to the table but based on my experience with the earlier LS50 ... although these were set-up during my pre-ASR days..
still. I would go Revel plus serious subS, with serious outboard DSP (mniDSP 2x4 HD + MSO and REW Software).

Peace.
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Similar road I went down, started with JBL-HDI3800 great sound reproduction and dynamics but too "focused" ->KEF (just not for my taste in my room, narrow dispersion maybe?)-> F226BE + 3 subs + miniDSP + MSO = Clean w/Dynamics of the JBL's + Wide stage. Simply awesome every time I turn the system on.
 
I'm very sorry. After typing the reply by hand, I was using the browser's translation to check the semantics. After checking that it was correct, I clicked send. This is the original reply: DSP is so important in nowadays and I couldn't agree more. I really like the sound after Dirac BC.
 
I just had the JBL HDI3800 and Revel F206 in my room. I preferred the Revels.

If you’re comparing a studio 690 (step down from the HDI 3800) to a Revel F226 (step up from the F206), then my vote easily goes to the Revel. However, I have not heard the KEF or Perlisten. They could be fantastic. It behooves you to go listen to these before choosing.
 
JohNChen said:
I'm very sorry. After typing the reply by hand, I was using the browser's translation to check the semantics. After checking that it was correct, I clicked send. This is the original reply: DSP is so important in nowadays and I couldn't agree more. I really like the sound after Dirac BC.
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Too much importance is placed on DSP. It’s your last line of attack at fixing sound issues. Because it’s so easy to use, folks consider it the to be one of the first things to do. From my review of the JBL, “With room correction/eq, I could not get these JBLs to work for me because room correction, despite it's name, does not correct anything with the room.”
 
Looneybomber said:
Too much importance is placed on DSP. It’s your last line of attack at fixing sound issues. Because it’s so easy to use, folks consider it the to be one of the first things to do. From my review of the JBL, “With room correction/eq, I could not get these JBLs to work for me because room correction, despite it's name, does not correct anything with the room.”
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I agree that DSP is the last step in the process of getting everything properly setup, and other issues first should be addressed, but I disagree that there is too much importance placed on it.

For aesthetic reasons I don't use any room treatments beyond whatever we choose for furniture and decorations. Nonetheless, PEQ and Dirac Live (using a miniDSP) had a significantly positive impact on the sound of my system in my family room.

In my office, one of my KEF LS60s is placed closer to the wall and other furnishings than the other, and thus their in-room responses are different. I measured each speaker individually from my listening position and generated a .wav correction file for each speaker. I use CamillaDSP to implement convolution with the .wav files. It definitely improved the sound quality in my office.

Moreover, I have never heard a subwoofer integration that sounded very good without DSP. I tried, but always had phasing issues, in addition to room modal issues. Using DSP, I have my subwoofer very well integrated with my bookshelf speakers in my family room. (I don't use a subwoofer in my office).
 
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Looneybomber said:
I just had the JBL HDI3800 and Revel F206 in my room. I preferred the Revels.

If you’re comparing a studio 690 (step down from the HDI 3800) to a Revel F226 (step up from the F206), then my vote easily goes to the Revel. However, I have not heard the KEF or Perlisten. They could be fantastic. It behooves you to go listen to these before choosing.
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Thank you for your suggestion.I think i'll love Revel too.The problem is there is no place for me to listen to F226,I guess i just have to buy it myself.Save money from now.:D
 
Matias said:
You can check Spinorama.org for comparing measurements.

Revel F226be
Tonality: 5.6
Bass extension: 46Hz
Flatness: ±1.2dB

Measurements for speaker Revel F226be

www.spinorama.org www.spinorama.org

KEF R7 Meta
Tonality: 7.0
Bass extension: 32Hz
Flatness: ±1.7dB

Measurements for speaker KEF R7 Meta

www.spinorama.org www.spinorama.org

Perlisten R5t
Tonality: 7.3
Bass extension: 29Hz
Flatness: ±1.9dB

Measurements for speaker Perlisten r5t

www.spinorama.org www.spinorama.org

Personally I would choose between the KEF R7 Meta and Perlisten R5t. And a tough choice between them! :)
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Where does the "tonality" score come from and what does it mean? What tonality score did the Revel F228be get? Thanks!
 
Bghead8che said:
Where does the "tonality" score come from and what does it mean?
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See here:

E-library page - AES

AES E-Library ← Back to search
www.aes.org www.aes.org

E-library page - AES

AES E-Library ← Back to search
www.aes.org www.aes.org

Part II is free to download somehow when you google the title:
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Bghead8che said:
What tonality score did the Revel F228be get?
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The F228Be got a 6.1 (7.0 with EQ).
 
staticV3 said:
See here:

E-library page - AES

AES E-Library ← Back to search
www.aes.org www.aes.org

E-library page - AES

AES E-Library ← Back to search
www.aes.org www.aes.org

Part II is free to download somehow when you google the title:
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The F228Be got a 6.1 (7.0 with EQ).
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What's considered an exceptional score w/ and w/out EQ?
 
I'm considering two of these models, The Kef R7 Meta and the Revel 226Be. I’ve read the reviews, looked at the data and read the objective assessments. My understanding is that:
  • Both speakers have excellent FR curves
  • The R7 has a LF “shoulder” that allows it to be placed closer to the front wall while avoiding LF boominess (a big plus for my desired placement)
  • The R7 has better vertical dispersion, which is beneficial if you occasionally listen while standing or moving around (a small plus for my planned usage)
  • The 226Be has wider horizontal dispersion, which is better for placement in a room where the sidewalls are far away from the speaker (a plus for my room and desired placement)
  • The 226Be has higher sensitivity and does a better job of delivering strong dynamics at lower listening levels (I tend to listen at 65-70 dB at my LP, so this trait is very beneficial, a big plus)
I prefer the aesthetics of the 226Be, but the R7 is acceptable. My question on bullet #2: If I plan to cross the mains over to a sub at 70Hz, is placement close to the front wall still likely to be a problem for the Revel? If a 70Hz crossover negates item 2 as an advantage for the Kef R7, that would probably push me to the Revel. I've played around with REW and my current satellite/sub setup and I may have a small room mode at 68 Hz, but looks to be something that could be EQ'ed out. I'm still a newbie with REW.

Besides the above, can anything else be said about the sound qualities of one model vs the other? I auditioned the R7 in the demo room of a store. It sounded fine - no big anomalies that I could detect - and it did not sound boomy, despite being very close to the front wall. No chance to demo the Revels, and I'm sure each model will sound very different in my listening room anyway.
 
If it's just a LF response benefit to being closer to wall, you can EQ any speaker to match the KEF slopes.

It seems like with a little bit of EQ the Revel is your pick; aside from if you somehow really don't like it in your space after you get them, as you haven't been able to demo. Of course it's hard to demo many options as they aren't in shops
 
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