Went to Sam's today, to to get food.
Outdoors, walking past the Auto Service bays, came Vivaldi (Baroque Period), from somewhere within.
Outdoors, walking past the Auto Service bays, came Vivaldi (Baroque Period), from somewhere within.
Went to Sam's today, to to get food.
Outdoors, walking past the Auto Service bays, came Vivaldi (Baroque Period), from somewhere within.
Went to Sam's today, to to get food.
Outdoors, walking past the Auto Service bays, came Vivaldi (Baroque Period), from somewhere within.
Believing and stating factually wrong things is ignorance. As for snobbery-from my perspective it is you who have behaved snobbishly. You made a factually wrong statement that diminished music in the classical tradition, apparently to suit the thesis, such as it was, of your prior post. Ironic, then, that you make accusations of ethnocentrism in trying to justify your oversimplification. You will notice I have cast no aspersions on, or tried to oversimplify or diminish other forms of music. Rather, I’ve just resisted those I’ve seen here.
This is a good example of the problem. It is this “you are either with X or against X” binary thinking.
The post you alluded to also said European composers were geniuses for their melodic construction. One could go off on a rant like you on how that is a generalization and nit pick with examples of how there were some really bad pieces that shows they are not geniuses. No one did. It pointed out the superlative harmonic construction of classical music relative to other forms. Someone could have gone on a rant on how some music form X had great harmony and I was only trying to diss other forms of music. No one did. As much as discussions on these forums go, they are not doctoral theses and so by nature tend to be larger picture generalizations as is every post on this thread.
You had to take something where classical was said to be weaker than other forms and tried to nit pick and formulate the post as diminishing a form of music. And attributed that to ignorance with a snarky comment. I could have said you are the ignorant one who does not really listen to syncopation to spout your views. But that isn’t a honest discussion. People can differ on their views and it is usually tied to a difference in their premises which is fine. I pointed out my premise. You took it go make further snarky comments with that snobbish attitude.
For people like you, there is no relative evaluation of music as an enthusiast or a student of music where some forms are seen to more advanced than others in aspects. It is tied to your identity and hence the jerk reaction. There is no basis for disagreement other than assuming ignorance on the part of the other. Sad.
Duh! I just bought the new Tool album - not power metal, but still metal and I listen to plenty of it. I'm also not criticising any music culture or music itself - that was you. You are the one who started the ignorant rant about classical music. You cannot validly criticise something that you have such limited experience with.I've resisted replying to this so far because most people here presented thoughtful and convincing arguments, but this ridiculous suggestion is forcing me to respond.
Given your background I'll go out on a limb and guess that you aren't a fan of Power Metal. That's too bad, perhaps your education was deficient, sorry. But so was mine and did not stop me. I suggest you investigate the Encyclopedia Metallum at https://www.metal-archives.com/ and chase down and listen to as many of the works listed there as possible - a great many are on youtube and are freely available. Then think about them, and what they are saying/doing... I suggest checking out the works of Adagio, Ark, Blind Guardian, Conception, Dark Moor, Dragonforce, Edguy, Evergrey, Firewind, Helloween, Iced earth, Luce Turilli, Redemption, Rhapsody (both Luca Turilli's Rhapsody and Rhapsody of Fire), Sabaton, Savage Circus, Sonata Arctica, Symphony X, Virgin Steele, Yngwie Malmsteen, (even) Nevermore, Dio, (even) Manowar, early Pantera, Rainbow, Epica, Nightwish, Adrenaline Mob, Michael Romeo & Michael Pinnella – there are many others, that was just what I can think of now... then after you have listened to their works a few times and thought about them, come back and tell us what you think about "Power Metal" music.
Limited compared to what? Do I need to have a PHD in music studies and a career as a composer before I can say a bad word about some genre of music? Your suggestion that I first need to listen to some selection of composers before I am allowed to form an opinion on the subject is the very essence of elitism.Duh! I just bought the new Tool album - not power metal, but still metal and I listen to plenty of it. I'm also not criticising any music culture or music itself - that was you. You are the one who started the ignorant rant about classical music. You cannot validly criticise something that you have such limited experience with.
Wow. if I wanted to find an utterly vacuous statement of the obvious with zero insight and curiosity, I could not do better than this.Wow. If I wanted to find a perfect example of utterly baseless -- and meaningless -- generalization about classical music, or Beethoven in particular, I could not do better than this.
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Millions of people love Boogie Woogie. Millions of people love Beethoven. It's not a popularity contest. Both are beloved and enjoyed by many, many people. Some of them even love both.
Wow. if I wanted to find an utterly vacuous statement of the obvious with zero insight and curiosity, I could not do better than this.
My earlier comment quoted this point made by someone else:Would you care to dispute the point of my post -- which, since you clearly need it to be summarized, was that your claim that 'most people are bored by Beethoven, most people love Boogie Woogie', is a baseless opinion with absolutely nothing but your limited musical experience given as 'support' -- or are you content simply to mimic my conclusion without giving anything that could be counted as reasoned argument to back it up?
Because that tends not to be the most persuasive approach.
Your claim, that Beethoven is boring and Boogie Woogie is far more beloved, is the vacuous and embarassing one, sorry to say.
I asked some questions arising from this that seem to have annoyed you to the extent of being dismissive and insulting. Not sure why - they really were just questions. They're quite interesting questions, I think. I'll have another go, just to annoy you again:András Schiff resists the notion that the op 111 c minor sonata has "Boogie-Woogie", but it's safe to say that Schiff sees no need to emphasize the similarities. Your own ears will help you reach your own conclusions:
"Oh Sting, where is thy death?"Gotta throw Sting in there.
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