Amir did enjoy the soundstage from the Utopia though. Same build and design concept though not exactly similar as the Elex and Clear. There is something that addresses this, somebody was guessing it's in the group response measurementsYes, given the large ear cups & angled drivers of this open backed headphone I'd be curious how it's soundstage would compare to say the HD800s and the K702 (this one I own). I think it's one of the most important aspects of a headphone so it would be good to try to add some "science" behind it. I would imagine this Focal Elex would give the HD800s a run for it's money (in general) if it has as good a soundstage as I expect it would given the large ear cups and angled drivers.
Group Delay, I saw that as a theory that Amir question marked in the Group Delay graph. I don't think it's that though, one reason I've seen Group Delay measurements of K702 at diyaudioheaven, and it has about half the erratic group delay of the Elex in the 2-4kHz area, yet K702 has great soundstage.Amir did enjoy the soundstage from the Utopia though. Same build and design concept though not exactly similar as the Elex and Clear. There is something that addresses this, somebody was guessing it's in the group response measurements
True, I've been looking at measurements (without group delay graphs though) for a long time. These spacious headphones do share some similarities, but nothing conclusive. So far this group delay artifact between 2-3kHz is the closest distinguishing trait. Either way, we need more dataGroup Delay, I saw that as a theory that Amir question marked in the Group Delay graph. I don't think it's that though, one reason I've seen Group Delay measurements of K702 at diyaudioheaven, and it has about half the erratic group delay of the Elex in the 2-4kHz area, yet K702 has great soundstage.
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/akg/k702/
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Or maybe the fact the above measurement was done on a flat plate without a pinna means it might not be capturing that region accurately in terms of Group Delay (I don't know). I think it's something else in terms of measurements that would characterise soundstage, but I don't know what....or perhaps soundstage is characterised by a number/combination of different measurements having certain properties with perhaps Group Delay being one of them.
This. I don't see how the Elex can be recommended in good conscience, unless Focal has addressed these issues recently.
Yup I just checked, its rating on (Mass)Drop has also fallen from 4.8/4.9 to 4.3. Guess this is a result of purchasers' units failing over timeThis. I don't see how the Elex can be recommended in good conscience, unless Focal has addressed these issues recently.
So this is why testing at 114dB (if it were only to find excursion limits) is useful for low frequencies. I would say ignore all THD in the 114dB plot above 100Hz. This may look very poor for anything above 1kHz but will be levels you won't be reaching.
If I could measure at those levels I would simply stop the sweep above 300Hz. Then again.... above that frequency one can see how bad things get even though it is of no practical consequence.
That is an interesting article
Looks like it can be a bit different if you live in Europe. I'm in Canada and my experience don't match that. My Elex have been reliable and I don't hear a Channel imbalance neither, but my Fostex TH-X00 broke, twice already, and I have to say Drop's customer service have been top, the last fail was just outside of warranty and they replaced it anyway, they even told me to keep the broken one, so I saved shipping and have spare parts if it happens again. That's quite uncommon.
Even worse that it's a great headphone otherwise- it's akin to having a beloved pet knowing it will die prematurely one day while not knowing whenI know the guy who did that elex story. He owns the 4th pair of ELEX meanwhile. 3 broke before, including mine that he sold to me in mint condition. Always one driver dead out of nowhere.
He knows someone at Drop, and friendly enough, they always exchange the broken units. But it's always from US, no Europe chain or anything.
And it's a sad story, that has not been fixed afaik.
Sucks, I enjoyed it a lot. And will never buy an Elex again.
of course as you could also see in my video, I had them both taken apart, there was no visible issue, all wires were soldered perfectly, but the affected driver was just dead. Interestingly combining 2 drivers from 2 different units resulted in some imbalance again which I could somehow improve by also swapping pads, but it is not like it was at the very beginning.Wow- that sucks. Did you take it apart to see if a wire had become loose?
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Drop Focal Elex. It was kindly loaned to me by a member and costs US $700.
The Elex naturally follows the design of the rest of Focal line:
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The headphone weighs 440 grams and has inside cup dimensions of 62x55x27 (height, width, depth). Note that the driver is angled so the cup depth varies.
Overall comfort was excellent. The owner must have a similar shape to my face and head as to have worn off the pads just right.
Note: The measurements you are about to see are preformed using standardized GRAS 45CA headphone measurement fixture. Headphone measurements require more interpretation than speaker tests and have more of a requirement for subjective testing as a result. In addition, comparison of measurements between different people performing it using different configurations requires fair bit of skill. So don't look for matching results. Focus on high level picture. Listening tests are performed using RME ADI-2 DAC and its headphone output.
Mounting the headphone on the text fixture was easy requiring very little manipulation to get left and right to match at dual frequencies (within reason).
Focal Elex Measurements
As usual, we start with our stereo frequency response measurements:
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That sure looks similar to Focal Clear frequency response:
The only thing different is better channel matching in Elex which could be a measure difference as much as sample difference.
Even the Focal Utopia looks similar:
Looks like they have their own target response that all of these are matched to.
Back to Elex, the relative frequency response is thus:
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Group delay matches as well:
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I have noted a member's hypothesis that messiness in group delay in that 2 to 4 kHz may result in better spatial effect.
As if we need any more proof of sisterhood between the Clear and Elex, here is the distortion graph which matches yet again:
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One difference though: this time I did not have my own headphones on and listened to the sweeps. I was horrified to hear the drivers crackle at 114 dBSPL! The clear must have done this as well given that signature response in green:
So whoever thinks the driver limitations here is imagined, well, they need to stop saying that.
On the positive front is the incredibly low distortion at 94 dBSPL (blue). The line literally melts into the "0" percentage. Even at 114 dBSPL, there is no distortion to speak of above 2 kHz. So as long as you don't hit the limit of the drive, this is one low distortion transducer. Maybe that is the trade off they made?
Here is the distortion graph in absolute scale:
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Impedance is variable and again matches Clear:
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Sensitivity is good requiring half as much drive as Sennheiser HD-650 for example:
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Focal Elex Listening Tests
As with the Focal Clear, the non-equalized response was fine but nothing to get excited about. Similar equalization (created from scratch here rather than copied from Clear), resulted in major improvement:
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I may be biased by distortion measurements but I constantly went "oh that note is clean!" This happened across the board in many tracks. Quiet notes were especially a delight with the Elex.
It was not long though before I got horrified with the crackling sound. Oh man is this thing scary. The only audio gear that I am scared of is my 1000 watt power amplifier which has enough juice to send a speaker to Mars! The Elex headphone had me in the same spot where I had to have my hand on the volume control. I could not enjoy any track at high volume as I kept worrying about the crackle.
So I turned the volume down and got busy with another review. A couple of hours later, I realized how comfortable this headphone was and how nice its sound was at low volumes.
Conclusions
Let's cut to the chase: if the Focal Elex did not have the driver limit with that nasty crackle, it would get the highest remarks from me. It has an utlra low-distortion driver that lends itself well to equalization. Once there, the sound is a delight as long as you keep the volume reasonable and sensible. Equalization sadly gets you closer to its limit and in my application would surely hit the limit. What a shame.
I am over the shock of the driver limit that I had with the Clear and decided to upgrade my rating of Elex to "recommended."
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