The Arcam AV40 maybe. I did not test Monoprice HTP-1 with HDMI so that is good. Same with Emotiva RMC-1.
I am pretty sure it will but yes, I will test.
I agree, but it's also good to note that this Denon would work just fine for a two-channel setup if using TOSLINK inputs, analog inputs, etc. I don't think too many people do 2-channel audio over HDMI.
In general though, yeah, this made me think very lovingly about the simple two-channel amps in my life.
If I may add on to your post, @amirm what is the max clean signal to pre-outs in full pre-amp mode?
You mean you want me to test all the outputs???
No no! But in full pre-amp mode (all channels disconnected) the X4700 clips at 1.1V? The X3600 was good way over 2V if I recall?
You haven't answered the question. In 11CH mode the X3600 didn't clip until close to 4V for the LR channels? And the X4700 clips at 1.1V? Call it 11CH or full pre-amp, not sure it matters.
Anybody else would be banned for such a low blow.
Is it possible to bring a product to market that works perfectly in every configuration? Not meaning to sound critical, but I'm not sure it is. I think Denon built a perfectly good product for 90% of it's audience. Maybe 98%. Know what I mean?I am dying to see what the PR statement will be because you know they won't admit publicly there was a bug that they had to fix (unless someone really high up overrules them).
It will be something like "We have worked with ... to investigate the discrepancy between our measurements which showed the unit to be as good as any of our previous units and the measurements at ... We take all feedback seriously and strive for absolute best performance in all of our products. The x4700h performs with no problems just as our measurements have always indicated when used in recommended configurations. External measurement tests which involve configurations that do not always reflect real-life usage can often show undependable results. We are confident that our units perform to the highest standards when used in real situations". And just maybe in the end "To ensure that we prevent any such misunderstandings in the future we will make sure that our units provide dependable results even in such test scenarios with a future firmware update."
There are two different scenarios; 11CH mode, disconnects LR channels for use with external amp and pre-amp mode which disconnects all internal amps meaning you must use external amps for all your channels. These settings are found in the amp assign menu. You can choose actual speaker config in the speaker set up menu so it doesn't through Audyssey off (only measures the speakers you actually have connected).
I sent out a note to them and a few days later Rainer Finck from EU Denon/Marantz contacted me. He used to work at Philips semiconductor group so was very technical which was great. Next link was Denon engineering in Japan. Towards the end, my contacts expanded across the board from Denon Japan to Sound United corporate people and execs. I did not interact with any pure marketing or PR people but maybe some wear that hat as well.
Comparing these graphs. I guess in practice they aren't that far off.
