Topping D10 Balanced Review (USB DAC)

[Lupin]

Some of you guys are really like b... fanboys. Topping products are just products, you don't have connect them with your emotions, and advocate some company against your business. Consumer business is to get more at lower price.
While most of discussion here may look funny, but it just means that typical topping buyer never seen balanced connection in TRS, you wont get most of that questions on pro audio forum. Balanced TRS is just typical in pro market.
The question of whether it is possible to connect D10B via SE adapter is meaningful question.
Another thing is how "company" responds to this: "You can't do this. Do do this, no"
I thought this forum is somewhere between audiophile nonsense and electronic forum, we look at those measurements believe that are reliable and want know more about technicals.

For example for me D10B would be perfect device with digital volume control on front panel, that what Im looking for.

It is an meaningful question.
It gets a whole lot less meaningful though when people don't like the answer they get on that question and keep asking that same question over and over again like the answer will change if you ask it more than 30 times..

 

[Atanasi]

It is an meaningful question.
It gets a whole lot less meaningful though when people don't like the answer they get on that question and keep asking that same question over and over again like the answer will change if you ask it more than 30 times..

It is understandable that a manufacturer or its representatives support only specific configurations. Many things are possible if the user is willing to mod but they cannot expect the manufactorer to endorse these configurations or offer warranty if something breaks.

 

[Grooved]

It is understandable that a manufacturer or its representatives support only specific configurations. Many things are possible if the user is willing to mod but they cannot expect the manufactorer to endorse these configurations or offer warranty if something breaks.

Not sure if I understood it right or I may have missed a comment : is it said to not use it for unbalanced use ?
If so, it's certainly for people who would want to plug a mono jack-RCA cable in the D10b, which would link the ground and cold, which they don't want you to do.

I was thinking about the Khadas Tone2 Pro, able to do both unbalanced and balanced, but they use a specific RCA with different ring sizes, so if you plug a RCA-RCA cable, only ground is on ground and hot is on hot, and cold have no contact.
You could do the same thing on this D10b by using a custom TRS jack-RCA cable with only groud to ground and RCA pin to TRS Hot (and leave the TRS cold unlinked).

 

[JohnYang1997]

Not sure if I understood it right or I may have missed a comment : is it said to not use it for unbalanced use ?
If so, it's certainly for people who would want to plug a mono jack-RCA cable in the D10b, which would link the ground and cold, which they don't want you to do.

I was thinking about the Khadas Tone2 Pro, able to do both unbalanced and balanced, but they use a specific RCA with different ring sizes, so if you plug a RCA-RCA cable, only ground is on ground and hot is on hot, and cold have no contact.
You could do the same thing on this D10b by using a custom TRS jack-RCA cable with only groud to ground and RCA pin to TRS Hot (and leave the TRS cold unlinked).

No. Balanced and balanced only. Not any cable or adapter to convert to single end.

 

[Grooved]

No. Balanced and balanced only. Not any cable or adapter to convert to single end.

OK, I missed this previous comment then. Thanks to clarify

 

[archerious]

No. Balanced and balanced only. Not any cable or adapter to convert to single end.

Hey any word if the D10 Balanced can work with an iPad if it's powered by a USB-C cable in addition to the iPad itself? This is the adapter I use on my iPad.

 

[JohnYang1997]

Hey any word if the D10 Balanced can work with an iPad if it's powered by a USB-C cable in addition to the iPad itself? This is the adapter I use on my iPad.

You can try that. No guarantee to work.
D10 Balanced has added inductor for limiting initial current. So it should be more friendly than D10s.

 

[Lupin]

This setup would trigger my OCD 1001%
(do the little rubber feet in the back of the D10b actually rest on something in this setup..)

 

[paradox11]

Hi, my speaker is dali zensor 5ax, if i buy d10 balanced model, can i connect it as balanced to the 3.5mm input on the back of the speaker?

 

[Grooved]

Hi, my speaker is dali zensor 5ax, if i buy d10 balanced model, can i connect it as balanced to the 3.5mm input on the back of the speaker?

The 3.5 input is unbalanced, and the manufacturer and Topping says the D10b should be used ibn balanced setup only, so you should buy the D10s in this case (with a 2 RCA - 3.5mm mini-jack cable)
Or you can buy the D10b and connect it to your speakers via optical cable, which is simpler but you lost the benefit of the D10b conversion (DA conversion will be done by the speakers internal DAC)

 

[Zek]

Or you can buy the D10b and connect it to your speakers via optical cable, which is simpler but you lost the benefit of the D10b conversion (DA conversion will be done by the speakers internal DAC)

If your PC have optical spdif out, you don't need any DAC.

 

[Grooved]

If your PC have optical spdif out, you don't need any DAC.

Right, but depends also on the OS if you want bit perfect as Windows 7 doesn't support 88.2 and 176.4 most of the time motherboard SPDIF outputs (which Windows 10 supports)
And he would be force to use the built-in DAC of his speakers

 

[Zek]

if you want bit perfect

..use Foobar with ASIO or Wasapi...

 

[Svperstar]

I was thinking about getting this and finally going balanced but the lack of an on/off switch kinda sucks. Then I found this:
https://www.amazon.com/RIITOP-Extension-Switch-Support-Headset/dp/B07X82661H/

Hope that would work ok with this DAC.

 

[Frgirard]

Right, but depends also on the OS if you want bit perfect as Windows 7 doesn't support 88.2 and 176.4 most of the time motherboard SPDIF outputs (which Windows 10 supports)

Windows 7 i have and 88 is available on the internal spdif.
But the 44, 1 khz is the perfection as the Shannon theorem and Nyquist had demonstrated.

 

[kchap]

I was thinking about getting this and finally going balanced but the lack of an on/off switch kinda sucks. Then I found this:
https://www.amazon.com/RIITOP-Extension-Switch-Support-Headset/dp/B07X82661H/

Hope that would work ok with this DAC.

It seems it does not have the data conductors, just power. From the amazon page:

• PLEASE NOTE: This cable is ONLY for power supply（Not support IOS system）, NOT for Data transfer.

 

[Svperstar]

It seems it does not have the data conductors, just power. From the amazon page:

• PLEASE NOTE: This cable is ONLY for power supply（Not support IOS system）, NOT for Data transfer.

Found a few others on Amazon that support data.

 

[Zek]

 

[Grooved]

..use Foobar with ASIO or Wasapi...

In case of using motherboard SPDIF ouput, you won't use ASIO. And for WASAPI with Foobar without resampling on a realtek ALC889 chip :

With Windows 10 on the same motherboard, 88.2 and 176.4 work.
I don't say you can't play it on Windows 7, just that with a lot of Windows 7 motherboard audio drivers, your SPDIF ouput won't play it bit perfect, so you will need to do additional settings in your player.

Windows 7 i have and 88 is available on the internal spdif.
But the 44, 1 khz is the perfection as the Shannon theorem and Nyquist had demonstrated.

But your case can't be generalized
The second part of your comment is right, but it's not the point here, I was only referring the a ease of use (playing without any need to change a lot of things, some people want it )

 

[Frgirard]

In case of using motherboard SPDIF ouput, you won't use ASIO. And for WASAPI with Foobar without resampling on a realtek ALC889 chip :
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With Windows 10 on the same motherboard, 88.2 and 176.4 work.
I don't say you can't play it on Windows 7, just that with a lot of Windows 7 motherboard audio drivers, your SPDIF ouput won't play it bit perfect, so you will need to do additional settings in your player.


But your case can't be generalized
The second part of your comment is right, but it's not the point here, I was only referring the a ease of use (playing without any need to change a lot of things, some people want it )

Asio is your friend