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Given the fact that SVS have just released the 3000 Micro i'm holding back on the KC62 until i either have seen a comparison or heard them myself.
Given the fact that SVS have just released the 3000 Micro i'm holding back on the KC62 until i either have seen a comparison or heard them myself.
I do wish they'd go one step further though and make a dedicated stand using the same technology and aesthetics for the LS50.
It certainly needs stereo subs acoustically.
Small subs are easy to hide. Subs that look like speaker stands are even easier.
Very true, I didn't think of that! and considering the cost of the KEF stacks... if you have made it 2 pieces floor stander may better off getting just a floor stander..But if you use the subwoofers as stand, you basically have floorstanding speakers. And you miss out on the opportunity to place the subwoofer elsewhere to smoothe out the frequency response.
It would be awesome if a reviewer could put them next to each other and take some shots for us to better understand also the size differences. A visual size comparison to a standard 10-12 inch sub would be even better.
Back in the good old days (OK, the Eighties) such subs were a thing. A thing started by Bob Carver and the True Subwoofer and continued by Velodyne with the HGS10 and its descendants. I owned an HGS10 for over 20 years and can attest to the fact that such a sub can indeed get down as low as you might want, but never as loud as you might want.
Heck, now that DSP is cheap I can (and sometimes do) EQ my mains (with 8 inch drivers) to be flat below 20Hz.
Commercially, look at what D&D achieve.
But as so many have mentioned, you cannot overcome the laws of physics.
Equally, as so many forget, 80-85db is actually far louder than most people listen.
Using a dB meter I've measured my full range speakers with multiple subs at what my ears say is very high volume only to discover it is actually averaging under 75dB.
I manage to (just) get away with 12 inch subs for the system in our family area. Could I not, the petiteness of the KEF would be very tempting.
I do wish they'd go one step further though and make a dedicated stand using the same technology and aesthetics for the LS50.
It certainly needs stereo subs acoustically.
Small subs are easy to hide. Subs that look like speaker stands are even easier.
But if you use the subwoofers as stand, you basically have floorstanding speakers. And you miss out on the opportunity to place the subwoofer elsewhere to smoothe out the frequency response.
from the various modes the sub provides it looks to me that it's all for the sake of placement freedom, it have even a preset inside TV cabinets!If you have the space to place subwoofers elsewhere then of course you should. But the whole point of these tiny subs is to trade acoustic purity for invisibility. And having a speaker sit on stands with scattered subs goes against that idea.
But putting my purist cap back on there are strong acoustic reasons to couple such speakers as the LS50 to dedicated bass stands.
The LS50 in all its iterations starts gasping for air below about 200Hz. You can EQ it like the Wireless version does at the cost of massive distortian and compression. There's only so much that tiny midrange can do.
But it is superb above that range.
You're much better off adding stereo subs and crossing at 150-200Hz, ie well above where you can localise.
Yes you give up something in placement flexibility and bass smoothing, but gain far more in dynamics and lack of distortion.
Plus the bass is still coming from multiple sources, and can be EQed.
It depends on weighting. Also, track itself and distortion of reproduction chain will kick in. Clean production at low distortion system can be cranked up a little bit even without noticing.Using a dB meter I've measured my full range speakers with multiple subs at what my ears say is very high volume only to discover it is actually averaging under 75dB.
So, you can go for Amphion, they have this option already.I do wish they'd go one step further though and make a dedicated stand using the same technology and aesthetics for the LS50.
I doubt that it's very obvious at 75-80 dB.The LS50 in all its iterations starts gasping for air below about 200Hz. You can EQ it like the Wireless version does at the cost of massive distortion and compression. There's only so much that tiny midrange can do.
It will be not subwoofers anymore and will require something front-firing. I mean technically it's possible, but something weird will still happen with midbass. 100-200 Hz is a male voice base, so I'm not sure that correct stereo will present if dual-opposing woofers will play this region.You're much better off adding stereo subs and crossing at 150-200Hz, ie well above where you can localise.
A faster sub? What's that? Does it move faster than the speed of sound? Does it move so fast that plays higher frequency notes?Steve Guttenberg’s review on the 3000 micro confirmed my suspicions - i’m getting the kc62. More nimble/faster and a better match to my ls50’s
A faster sub? What's that? Does it move faster than the speed of sound? Does it move so fast that plays higher frequency notes?
Subjectively faster sound, usually means less bass.
Besides that, Steve Guttenburg is not the best person to trust for reviews
This can be weird in speakers but For example not in ears world ( no one here cares about in ears...)A faster sub? What's that? Does it move faster than the speed of sound? Does it move so fast that plays higher frequency notes?
Subjectively faster sound, usually means less bass.
Besides that, Steve Guttenburg is not the best person to trust for reviews
Agreed...I would not make a purchasing decision based on Steve’s recommendation (though I’m sure a lot of people do).
I will wait to see how the Micros test, but on the surface being able to get two Micros for the price of one KC62, plus the SVS longer warranty and stellar customer service, plus the SVS app...certainly has me leaning heavily towards SVS.
Thanks for the feedback taking the right decision seems to more complicated than i initially thought . In any case: i’m really with all the feedback on this forum.
re Guttenburg: no idea about his reputation. Just like his review + the fact he has had both subs for review.
Agreed...I would not make a purchasing decision based on Steve’s recommendation (though I’m sure a lot of people do).
I will wait to see how the Micros test, but on the surface being able to get two Micros for the price of one KC62, plus the SVS longer warranty and stellar customer service, plus the SVS app...certainly has me leaning heavily towards SVS.
I think I just wasted 19 minutes and 47 seconds of my life watching that whole Guttenberg video. It struck me as like trying to follow a stream of consciousness blog from a scattered Valley girl. Most of it was about the 3000 MicroSub's features that I'd already read on the SVS site plus many generic subwoofer comments plus lots of descriptions of various esoteric test music. Actual meaningful performance information was virtually non-existent. I now understand that I'm not part of Mr. Guttenberg's target audience and will await more serious reviews.