Mick Seymour
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DTS X is already there. It is DTS X Pro that is missing and has been removed from the spec so may never come.DTS:X and Auro 3D
Auro 3D was never part of the spec.
DTS X is already there. It is DTS X Pro that is missing and has been removed from the spec so may never come.DTS:X and Auro 3D
Yes sorry, I meant DTS X Pro! Has anyone taken it apart yet to see what is inside! Hopefully Amir will get it on the bench soon!DTS X is already there. It is DTS X Pro that is missing and has been removed from the spec so may never come.
Auro 3D was never part of the spec.
I know your post is old, but I wanted to clarify for any other readers: neither the AVM 70 nor the AVM 90 have balanced analog inputs. They only have balanced analog outputs.What catches my attention beyond the reproduction quality of the processor is that it has essentially all the connections I need: HDMI 2.1 and in spades, chromecast (I use it for tune in, since I listen to a loooot of radio), phono stage and balanced inputs.
Still asking, Amir any possibility that it will be on your bench any time soon?Yes sorry, I meant DTS X Pro! Has anyone taken it apart yet to see what is inside! Hopefully Amir will get it on the bench soon!
Why is the THD so high compared to some other systems on the Athem 90 AVM? Should I be concerned about this 0.1% compared to some other units at 0.005%?From the Anthem website;
ANTHEM – PURE PERFORMANCE, PURE VALUE
Since the AVM 50 and Statement D2 A/V Processors, music lovers and home theater enthusiasts have coveted Anthem’s premium surround separates. Featuring industry-leading room correction, expert management of the latest audio formats and robust integration; Anthem is the ultimate nerve center of any premium home theater or media room.
The AVM 90 is our new flagship A/V Processor with upgraded audio circuitry, 4 independent subwoofer outputs and an excellent 32-bit DAC's with 768kHz sampling capability. It represents Anthem’s ultimate expression of audio performance.
Object-oriented audio codecs have been updated with support for up to 15.4 channels; as well as built-in streaming support for Apple AirPlay2, Google Chromecast, Bluetooth, Spotify Connect and Roon (coming soon).
Video support includes 7 HDMI 2.0 inputs with 2 outputs, plus eARC for seamless integration with smart TVs. Perfect passthrough of Ultra HD signals at up to 18.2 Gbps with Dolby Vision, HDR or Hybrid Log Gamma ensures optimal presentation of your visual media.
I believe the spec says < 0.1% THD. Less than could be any figure up to but not including 0.1%.Why is the THD so high compared to some other systems on the Athem 90 AVM? Should I be concerned about this 0.1% compared to some other units at 0.005%?
Yes, it seems that they are giving that 0.1% at 10mV so technically it's much lower which is good. The full spec is here: AVM 90 19 Channel (15.4) A/V Pre-Amplifier/Processor PreaMPliFier cHannels Maximum Output (<0.1% THD)10.7 VRMS, Subwoofer 11 VRMS Frequency Response20 Hz — 35 kHz (+/-0.2dB) Frequency Response, Analog-Direct20 Hz — 80 kHz (+0, -2 dB) THD+N (4 Vrms output) * † -100 dB S/N Ratio (4 Vrms output, IEC-A filter) 115 dB XLR ConfigurationPin 1: Ground, Pin 2: Positive, Pin 3: Negative POWer cOnsuMPtiOnI believe the spec says < 0.1% THD. Less than could be any figure up to but not including 0.1%.
I'm really starting to like everything about this AV preprocessor, it has all the features and I understand the ARC Genesis room correction is very good. It could be my next PreProcessor.Yes, it seems that they are giving that 0.1% at 10mV so technically it's much lower which is good. The full spec is here: AVM 90 19 Channel (15.4) A/V Pre-Amplifier/Processor PreaMPliFier cHannels Maximum Output (<0.1% THD)10.7 VRMS, Subwoofer 11 VRMS Frequency Response20 Hz — 35 kHz (+/-0.2dB) Frequency Response, Analog-Direct20 Hz — 80 kHz (+0, -2 dB) THD+N (4 Vrms output) * † -100 dB S/N Ratio (4 Vrms output, IEC-A filter) 115 dB XLR ConfigurationPin 1: Ground, Pin 2: Positive, Pin 3: Negative POWer cOnsuMPtiOn
They give you pretty good control of 4 independent subs so I think that's a good thing. If I get the until I'll REW it and let you know what I find.The only thing that concerns me about Anthem as a possibility are comments to the effect of their Room Correction neutering Bass output to some extent.
I’m very interested in hearing more about if this is a real issue or not.
They give you pretty good control of 4 independent subs so I think that's a good thing. If I get the until I'll REW it and let you know what I find.
It’s not an issue for me. You can specify the target curve including room gain, slope, and decide if you want to run your fronts full range or not. So it has the tune ability. I generally just adjust my subwoofer levels up one or two notches if I want a bit more. I think the real question, as others have said, is how good it is at actually hitting its target curve.The only thing that concerns me about Anthem as a possibility are comments to the effect of their Room Correction neutering Bass output to some extent.
I’m very interested in hearing more about if this is a real issue or not.
It’s not an issue for me. You can specify the target curve including room gain, slope, and decide if you want to run your fronts full range or not. So it has the tune ability. I generally just adjust my subwoofer levels up one or two notches if I want a bit more. I think the real question, as others have said, is how good it is at actually hitting its target curve.
Which I think all the major room correction solutions are unclear about as they don’t perform a second corrected measurement to provide their report.
Thanks @peng ! Yes, that is exactly what I was referencing re: bass neutering. Understanding why people are (or might be) experiencing it and best practice for fixing it would be nice.
Perhaps it wouldn’t even be a problem… but your account isn’t the only time I’ve heard this said.
It is in progress.I do eagerly anticipate reading your thoughts on the Anthem when you get to it!
That's a critical base zone so I would definitely manually tweak that as well. I'm torn, there is the Lyndorf MP-60 2.1 that I really like but it's about double the price with Room Perfect which is really good, and the ultimate Trinnov but I would spend years tweaking it if I had access to all of those features so that's out of the question not to mention the cost. I guess you have to pick your poison, I do know that there isn't a Marantz receiver out there that would satisfy me, of that I'm certain. Continuing my research for now.I think that's what some users who listened objectively, and/or actually "REWed" the FR have experienced as @ryanosaur might be alluding to.. That is, with all the hype about the product, it too would neuter the bass (after claiming they wouldn't do in their marketing material), so some users, including me, have to do some manual tweaks to get the bass response to their satisfaction. In my case, I don't even need the Harman curve tilt to be happy, and would be happy to have it "flat", but ARCG always resulted in a suck out in the 20 to 50 Hz range, that even Audyssey default would not do.
So to me, even people who are used to Audyssey XT32/SubEQHT's notorious flat bass, might end up finding ARCG's bass lacking, if they just run it without tweaking. That may just be my speakers/rooms, but I doubt that because nothing has changed since I acquired the AVM, prior to that I have used both Audyssey and Dirac, and in another room too, and never experience a suck out in that range, in fact not even with Audyssey/Dirac turned off.
After tweaking the target curve (or possibly just raise the sub level in some cases, but you have to know how to do it) as you mentioned, I am happy with the result so it isn't really an issue but in terms of bass, I do feel ARCG is grossly overrated, I have my theory on why this is but that's just my theory so I wouldn't want to start something controversial. I do intend to write more about my experience with the AVM, and specifically about ARCG, but need to find some time to it, as I anticipate it would be time assuming to do in such a way that it would not appear to be bias, or misleading. Overall, they are good products, especially the AVM90, that might well be the best preamp/dac ever existed, in terms of theoretical sound quality in direct/pure direct mode, whether that would make it audibly different than other comparable products such as the AV10 or even the AVM70 or not.
What is missing in the Marantz AV10 that you need?That's a critical base zone so I would definitely manually tweak that as well. I'm torn, there is the Lyndorf MP-60 2.1 that I really like but it's about double the price with Room Perfect which is really good, and the ultimate Trinnov but I would spend years tweaking it if I had access to all of those features so that's out of the question not to mention the cost. I guess you have to pick your poison, I do know that there isn't a Marantz receiver out there that would satisfy me, of that I'm certain. Continuing my research for now.
Sound that sounds alive, meaning clarity separation and a good strong range that is noticeable. It's hard for folks to know that if they haven't heard the difference, what I'm saying is the higher end sound can be found in this price range, you don't necessarily have to settle for flat sound so I'm looking for that great combination that will get me 100K sound for much much less.What is missing in the Marantz AV10 that you need?