B&W 800D4 series

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Now online:

Thanks for the link.
The waviness of 6.6dB in the important frequency range of 0.2-10kHz is certainly critical for many, but could still be declared as a matter of taste.

Completely out of the question, however, is the fact (should the measurements be correct) that a loudspeaker pair matching with a deviation of 2.2dB around 2-3kHz and 1.5dB on average below 10kHz is disastrous and if you consider the price of the loudspeaker, the result is outrageous.

 

[Inner Space]

Completely out of the question, however, is the fact (should the measurements be correct) that a loudspeaker pair matching with a deviation of 2.2dB around 2-3kHz and 1.5dB on average below 10kHz is disastrous and if you consider the price of the loudspeaker, the result is outrageous.

Completely agree. And kudos to HFN for testing this aspect, which of course is vital to the use case, and which isn't tested on some sites.

 

[jkr]

The D4's are worse then the D3's and the D3's are worse then the D2's. I think the sweet spot is the D1's. Why do they keep pushing up the top half of the audio spectrum? I sold my D2's, and D3's because of this flaw.

 

[thewas]

The D4's are worse then the D3's and the D3's are worse then the D2's. I think the sweet spot is the D1's. Why do they keep pushing up the top half of the audio spectrum? I sold my D2's, and D3's because of this flaw.

The D1 are also not really flat https://www.stereophile.com/content/bampw-800-diamond-loudspeaker-measurements

 

[jkr]

The D1 are also not really flat https://www.stereophile.com/content/bampw-800-diamond-loudspeaker-measurements

I know they have flaws also however I can make them totally disappear in the room. Not so much for the newer Diamonds as I tried everything short of re-doing the crossover. The D1's are smother and image way better.

 

[atsmusic]

I know they have flaws also however I can make them totally disappear in the room. Not so much for the newer Diamonds as I tried everything short of re-doing the crossover. The D1's are smother and image way better.

I love my D3s, was just listening to them. Will get a lot of enjoyment out of them I am glad I did not go with the Revels.

 

[Matias]

805D4 in German Stereo mag.

 

[atsmusic]

May I ask what the point of showing all these graphs are? I mean we all know B&W speakers aren't flat. We also know they could make a "better" measuring speaker if they wanted to. Some people will like them and some won't.

 

[jhaider]

I think the sweet spot is the D1's.

I thought, speaking of B&Ws only, that it was 801/802 Matrix 3. Wasn't that the last flagship line overseen by Lawrence Dickie?

 

[richard12511]

805D4 in German Stereo mag.

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Even if you don't enjoy neutral sounding speakers, measurements can still be very helpful. If you know you tend to prefer a speaker with a certain combination of measurements, you can look for speakers that measure close to that.

 

[sweetchaos]

Gene (from Audioholics) talked with Sound United about the 800 D4 series:

Posted 2 hours ago...it's 1hr11min long.
I didn't watch it, but figured whoever is interested might want to know.

 

[lherrm]

May I ask what the point of showing all these graphs are? I mean we all know B&W speakers aren't flat. We also know they could make a "better" measuring speaker if they wanted to. Some people will like them and some won't.

How do you know "B&W speakers aren't flat" (which ones ? by how much ?) if graphs aren't posted ? What's wrong with posting graphs anyway ?

 

[tecnogadget]

May I ask what the point of showing all these graphs are? I mean we all know B&W speakers aren't flat. We also know they could make a "better" measuring speaker if they wanted to. Some people will like them and some won't.

May I ask why are you so thick skinned about measurements? This is an audio science forum, objective data is always welcome. Don’t take them personally. This was a very awaited series and people want to know how they hold up vs previous gen or competition.

 

[sweetchaos]

Another video by Sound United...

Posted 1 hr ago...55min long.

 

[bo_knows]

Another video by Sound United...

Posted 1 hr ago...55min long.

The room where they conducted this session was nicely treated. You can tell how short the reverb is. Voices were touch more sibilant and that's probably due to those rear diffusers (maybe mic).
Oh, and yes, the marketing machine is in full effect. Repeat Abbey road and Skywalker studios a thousand times and it will impregnate the subconscious mind.

 

[atsmusic]

May I ask why are you so thick skinned about measurements? This is an audio science forum, objective data is always welcome. Don’t take them personally. This was a very awaited series and people want to know how they hold up vs previous gen or competition.

No I get that totally. It's just that they have been posted like 100 times in this thread already.

 

[Koeitje]

How do you know "B&W speakers aren't flat" (which ones ? by how much ?) if graphs aren't posted ? What's wrong with posting graphs anyway ?

Every single measurement of B&W loudspeakers I've seen has shown a response that is basically a rollercoaster.

The room where they conducted this session was nicely treated. You can tell how short the reverb is. Voices were touch more sibilant and that's probably due to those rear diffusers (maybe mic).
Oh, and yes, the marketing machine is in full effect. Repeat Abbey road and Skywalker studios a thousand times and it will impregnate the subconscious mind.

Don't let the B&W fanboys hear about your marketing comment. They say these studio's use B&W loudspeakers because they are the best. There is no marketing involved.

 

[atsmusic]

Every single measurement of B&W loudspeakers I've seen has shown a response that is basically a rollercoaster.

Don't let the B&W fanboys hear about your marketing comment. They say these studio's use B&W loudspeakers because they are the best. There is no marketing involved.

What speaker company doesn't use marketing lol

 

[lherrm]

Every single measurement of B&W loudspeakers I've seen has shown a response that is basically a rollercoaster.

Precisely, we need to see it to know it.
But as said earlier in the thread it hasn't always been the case, ex : https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/b-w-800d4-series.25801/post-882404

 

[atsmusic]

Precisely, we need to see it to know it.
But as said earlier in the thread it hasn't always been the case, ex : https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/b-w-800d4-series.25801/post-882404

yeah because they sound awesome, so if you don't see it you won't know how bad they are