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Topping E70 Stereo DAC Review

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  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 8 2.7%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 7 2.3%
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    Votes: 35 11.7%
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    Votes: 250 83.3%

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misterdog

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Oh - and prices were probably set at the worst possible time for UK exchange rates. Blame our Liz :rolleyes:

The Chinese sell in US dollars (the set price), whatever is the exchange rate at the time is the UK price, the UK price is not 'set'.

Exchange rates are a two way street, the value of the Euro and the Japanese Yen have also plummeted recently against the US Dollar, because the Dollar is currently very strong.

The U.S. Dollar Index, which measures the greenback against a basket of other currencies, is up more than 17% so far this year.


Can we leave politics and world economics out of this thread please.
 
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The Chinese sell in US dollars (the set price), whatever is the exchange rate at the time is the UK price, the UK price is not 'set'.

Exchange rates are a two way street, the value of the Euro and the Japanese Yen have also plummeted recently against the US Dollar, because the Dollar is currently very strong.

The U.S. Dollar Index, which measures the greenback against a basket of other currencies, is up more than 17% so far this year.


Can we leave politics and world economics out of this thread please.
If that were the case, the UK price would be continually changing as the exchange rate does - but that isn't what happens. So the price must be set at one point in time, at least for a subsequent period in time.
 

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the UK price would be continually changing as the exchange rate does - but that isn't what happens.

It was $ 349 at HiFiGo on Friday £ 288, today it is still $ 349 but £ 289.52.
As a UK account holder they show you the current price in sterling -which varies - with the exchange rate..

Some retailers, Audiophonics for example will set a retail price at a fixed level allowing for fluctuations in currency exchange.
399 Euros which is £ £ 345 (today).


End, out.
 
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It was $ 349 at HiFiGo on Friday £ 288, today it is still $ 349 but £ 289.52.
I think @Kane1972 was talking about local distribution/suppliers, not ordering direct from China. Hence the £399 price tag.

Obviously if you order from China in USD, then the conversion will be done at the time of order placement.
 

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Mine arrived yesterday, superb all round.
Everything from the packaging to the design, display, feature set, value for money and obviously the sound.
Sounds better than my other 121dB SINAD DAC.
Though if you look closely at the IMD and Multitone plots you can see where the improvements are likely to be and this proved correct.
With many thanks to @amirm

E70 > Pre 90 > Benchmark AHB2 > fully tricked out Quad 989ESL's.

@JohnYang1997 - congratulations and many thanks, all I need now is a new case and matching display for my Pre 90 :)
 

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Mine arrived yesterday, superb all round.
Everything from the packaging to the design, display, feature set, value for money and obviously the sound.
Sounds better than my other 121dB SINAD DAC.
Though if you look closely at the IMD and Multitone plots you can see where the improvements are likely to be and this proved correct.
With many thanks to @amirm

E70 > Pre 90 > Benchmark AHB2 > fully tricked out Quad 989ESL's.

@JohnYang1997 - congratulations and many thanks, all I need now is a new case and matching display for my Pre 90 :)
To paraphrase John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious!". This is the wrong site for golden ear audiophile claims.
 
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To paraphrase John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious!". This is the wrong site for golden ear audiophile claims.

So the measured data shows a difference but you think that no one could hear that difference in sound.

Good luck with the tennis.
 

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Though if you look closely at the IMD and Multitone plots you can see where the improvements are likely to be and this proved correct.
Proved? What is proved?

Anyway, glad you like your E70.;)

This is the wrong site for golden ear audiophile claims.
Or even worse, "objectivists" that would point to data, specifically to differences at 120dB bellow the fondamental and call these "audible":
So the measured data shows a difference but you think that no one could hear that difference in sound.
 

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So the measured data shows a difference but you think that no one could hear that difference in sound.

Good luck with the tennis.
You need to be looking here:

But to summarise - IMD needs to be higher than -70dB to be audible - the differences between those devices is way below that.
 

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So the measured data shows a difference but you think that no one could hear that difference in sound.

All measurable differences are audible?

A good audio analyzer can detect differences equating the sound of an ant farting on the opposite side of the planet.

At some point it's practically all about good engineering, and has very little to do with audible differences.
 

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I’m looking for a DAC with XLR output to couple with my A90D. There is the accompanying D90 of course, but is there any great benefit in picking that over this E70?
 

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At some point it's practically all about good engineering, and has very little to do with audible differences.

I enjoy both good engineering and the audible differences that produces.

I spent a great deal of time rebuilding my Quad 989 electrostatic loudspeakers into bespoke steel frames in order to hear the last drop of difference. The downside being that they are the size of a door and will literally kill you if you touch them - 3kV kil ovolts.

But there is no difference, and I can't hear it - that's numberwang.. :oops:
 

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Do you believe your own hearing to be significantly more acute than the average?

The opposite actually, at 63 years of age my hearing of upper frequencies will be severely rolled off.

I believe in neither magic beans or magic numbers, but if the numbers look good I'm prepared to taste the beans.
I may like or prefer the taste of those beans to other beans which I have tried.

Here endeth the philosophical debate.
 

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I don't think the audibility of artifacts at -120dB has anything to do with philosophy.

I agree that placebo can be just as enjoyable as the real deal, but I still don't think it's harmless to present it as a physical phenomena.
 
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