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I had thought about the es20's. Dually noted on the GR Research. I'll look into Ascend and Revel.
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I've actually heard the LS60's wasn't a huge fan. They remind me too much of the RSL's or vice versa. Not saying they are on the same playing field but generally speaking similar "house sound"
kemmler3D
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Yes, I don't think they would be your cup of tea, just an example of speakers that rely heavily on having amps and DSP integrated with the speaker.
Did you compare the speakers in the same room? Same gear/setup?
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certainly did not. and I understand the point you are making by asking that question.
That helps. What is your desired source (I assume streaming some service given the WiiM mention)?
Unrelated, but given your tinnitus, have you gotten an audiology exam? If there’s a treatment option, it might be worth considering.
Unrelated, but given your tinnitus, have you gotten an audiology exam? If there’s a treatment option, it might be worth considering.
Then you understand how your comment doesn't mean a lot....
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Stream would be my desired source. Yes, I've seen audiologist. There is no treatment or cure. Just hearing aides to help boost sounds above 7K and and they also provide some sort of feedback to trick the ear and lessen the ringing. I have a set. I rarely wear them. I don't like the aesthetic and while they make for a more revealing experience the sounds are harsh and unnatural.
To reframe my comment to your liking...I was personally not a fan of the Kef LS 60's in the environment in which I heard them. Their presentation reminded me of other speakers that I've heard all be it in different environments. And I've not been a big Kef fan generally speaking. I've heard 4 of their speakers, each in a different environment. None of the 4 kef speakers I've heard did I enjoy in any of the environments in which I heard them.
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Its well executed. I do agree.
I just meant that your comment was of extremely limited usefulness, as it should be with your analysis.Stream would be my desired source. Yes, I've seen audiologist. There is no treatment or cure. Just hearing aides to help boost sounds above 7K and and they also provide some sort of feedback to trick the ear and lessen the ringing. I have a set. I rarely wear them. I don't like the aesthetic and while they make for a more revealing experience the sounds are harsh and unnatural.
To reframe my comment to your liking...I was personally not a fan of the Kef LS 60's in the environment in which I heard them. Their presentation reminded me of other speakers that I've heard all be it in different environments. And I've not been a big Kef fan generally speaking. I've heard 4 of their speakers, each in a different environment. None of the 4 kef speakers I've heard did I enjoy in any of the environments in which I heard them.
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Man Chrispy - I don't want to go round and round with you. I really don't.
I will quip back that none of the 3 comments you have made in this thread have been very useful. No suggestions or advice about the topic offered on your behalf.
I will aslo argue my point which is I don't think having a certain taste or certain things being reminiscent of other things lacks usefulness. If I'm talking through potential speaker purchases with likeminded folks, I think expressing my tastes makes plenty of sense. eg - Hey man have you tried these walnuts they are good, lots of folks like them. Yeah I tried them. 4 different types of them. I didn't like them. They remind me of the pecans I ate other day and I'm not a huge fan of pecans either.
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I think what he's getting at is the room makes a major difference in what you hear and how a speaker sounds, especially if you haven't spent a bunch of time in said room. So as far as that goes, listening to speaker A in room A and speaker B in room B is a case of apples : oranges. To be sure you'd need to listen to both in the same room.
That said, a lot of people find the LS60 isn't a very "gutsy" speaker and it's also not capable of super high SPL so I don't think I'd recommend it to you anyway. I have them and really like them but I don't like to listen too loud. For your price range I usually recommend them, but in this case you'd probably be happier with Revels or some of the beefier JBLs, even.
Here are a few thoughts.
On the hearing aids, consider giving them another try with the volume turned down a little or a lot. This will likely reduce the harsh sound. Over time, if you want, you can always turn it up. You can also find out if your model offers a music program and then have your audiologist add that. Again, use it with the volume turned down. The main reason to get used to the hearing aids is to change how your brain responds to sound in the coming years. The tinnitus is from your brain not receiving the sound signals it used to from your ears. The hearing aids might slow or stop that getting worse over time.
On the system, considering your list of speaker candidates and goal of maybe moving things into your home theater, I'd stick with brands that have really good center channels. For simplicity, I'd forget the sub and then use as much of your budget on speakers as possible if you have room for floor standing models.
Here's an example of what that could look like.
speakers: Ascend ELX tower (titanium dome) or Arendal 1723
amp: Buckeye Hypex NC502MP
source: Wiim Pro Plus or Ultra (RCA to XLR cables to amp), note that the Ultra doesn't have Airplay2
Rationale: this is a simple system to setup and use and just enjoy however you want. The WiiM offers easy EQ so you can get a pair of good speakers and tailor the sound to your preferences. The amp has tons of clean power. This approach is more flexible than looking at a bunch of speakers to get a certain sound. It also lets you change things over time. If you want the option to listen with or without your hearing aids, you can even make 2 EQ presets for each scenario.
The amp and speakers are excellent and the WiiM is the cheapest part so as technology changes, you can swap it out. The DAC quality is excellent and there's no need to add a separate one (not so true of the WiiM Pro compared to the Pro Plus).
On the hearing aids, consider giving them another try with the volume turned down a little or a lot. This will likely reduce the harsh sound. Over time, if you want, you can always turn it up. You can also find out if your model offers a music program and then have your audiologist add that. Again, use it with the volume turned down. The main reason to get used to the hearing aids is to change how your brain responds to sound in the coming years. The tinnitus is from your brain not receiving the sound signals it used to from your ears. The hearing aids might slow or stop that getting worse over time.
On the system, considering your list of speaker candidates and goal of maybe moving things into your home theater, I'd stick with brands that have really good center channels. For simplicity, I'd forget the sub and then use as much of your budget on speakers as possible if you have room for floor standing models.
Here's an example of what that could look like.
speakers: Ascend ELX tower (titanium dome) or Arendal 1723
amp: Buckeye Hypex NC502MP
source: Wiim Pro Plus or Ultra (RCA to XLR cables to amp), note that the Ultra doesn't have Airplay2
Rationale: this is a simple system to setup and use and just enjoy however you want. The WiiM offers easy EQ so you can get a pair of good speakers and tailor the sound to your preferences. The amp has tons of clean power. This approach is more flexible than looking at a bunch of speakers to get a certain sound. It also lets you change things over time. If you want the option to listen with or without your hearing aids, you can even make 2 EQ presets for each scenario.
The amp and speakers are excellent and the WiiM is the cheapest part so as technology changes, you can swap it out. The DAC quality is excellent and there's no need to add a separate one (not so true of the WiiM Pro compared to the Pro Plus).
Stream would be my desired source. Yes, I've seen audiologist. There is no treatment or cure. Just hearing aides to help boost sounds above 7K and and they also provide some sort of feedback to trick the ear and lessen the ringing. I have a set. I rarely wear them. I don't like the aesthetic and while they make for a more revealing experience the sounds are harsh and unnatural.
To reframe my comment to your liking...I was personally not a fan of the Kef LS 60's in the environment in which I heard them. Their presentation reminded me of other speakers that I've heard all be it in different environments. And I've not been a big Kef fan generally speaking. I've heard 4 of their speakers, each in a different environment. None of the 4 kef speakers I've heard did I enjoy in any of the environments in which I heard them.
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Thank you Quattro! This is great feedback. Very simple and clever idea to achieve my goals. Airplay is not issue as I'm an android user and I currently on HEOS I use Amazon.
I've seen and read many great (subjective) reviews on the Arendal. I will look into Ascend more. Also, curious if anyone has more feedback on RBH. I've read/watched a few good reviews but there doesn't seem to be a ton of feedback out there about them. How did I miss Buckeye in my amp research!?!? Wow the watt per dollar is very reasonable.
Thank you again. This is was very helpful.
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Fourth. Listen to Static, he knows what he's talking about. And Welcome to ASR!
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What's the difference?
Hypex NC502MP vs
Hypex NCx500 vs
Hypex NCx500 Mono
Is the x version $300 better than the 502? Are the mono blocks $800 better than the 502?
kemmler3D
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I think some version of all of these amps has been tested here. The difference between these is "really good" and "excellent". There's a little more distortion on the 502MP, but you're basically talking "state of the art 5 years ago" and "state of the art now".
So the question for you is - do you want to spend $300 to remove any doubt about ever hearing noise even on the off chance? For most people it's not worth it, but some people like knowing they have the best available.
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That's the spirit!I'll throw that 300 at more speaker!
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I spent nearly a minute wondering what makes a speaker gusty and how come I never encountered all these people talking about how gusty different speakers can get. Does it relate to port chuffing?
Perhaps I have a literacy tinnitus.
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