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But on the other hand. You have a nice website I could direct them to.
Yes your right Mike, basically your then providing a source too much like a cd play. It takes a stumbling block away and would of increased sales for you imo.This is what everyone wants. Except for computer geeks. This would be a $10000 system if sold at typical Hifi margins through a dealer network. So there's no room at all for anyone to make profit at this price point.
But on the other hand. You have a nice website I could direct them to.
Yes your right Mike, basically your then providing a source too much like a cd play. It takes a stumbling block away and would of increased sales for you imo.
Of course the profit to allow you to do that was in the PD2 so just selling the server is a downer, to make it worth while you will need to either
A. Put it with another high profit margin product
B. Put the price up
Not sure really what's in it for you making them for someone else to boost sales of a product you dont profit from??
Just be careful they don't 'pillage your village 'Without a companion DAC to go along with it, there's not much profit to be made. But audio to me is not about making money, it's fulfilling a passion. I have other ventures on the go for profit with some Scandinavian partners to the north of Sonny
Just be careful they don't 'pillage your village '
FYI: we had a server built by a local shop that is the clone of the one I built (http://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/amirs-music-server-build-thread.415/) and the price, complete with the OS was just over $1,600. This is a fanless, quiet PC in nice looking German case. It is Skylake i5 CPU but can be i7 with just that price differential.
FYI: we had a server built by a local shop that is the clone of the one I built (http://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/amirs-music-server-build-thread.415/) and the price, complete with the OS was just over $1,600. This is a fanless, quiet PC in nice looking German case. It is Skylake i5 CPU but can be i7 with just that price differential.
The Sound Galleries Music Server team have also built a fan cooled i7 Skylake PC's at a price south of US $1,000 This machine can run HQ Player using the Polysinc family of filters and up convert to DSD 512 and feed this to the T+A DAC 8 DSD over Windows USB ASIO
Sounds jolly good too. However we on the SGM team are audiophiles who want to squeeze the last drop of sonic performance out of HQ Player, so that involves reducing RF noise and improving timing.
The major sources of RF noise are the CPU, RAM, SSD, PWM fan control
Going totally fanless when you are running close to 50 watts of CPU power is not easy. We had to totally redesign our case and go to heatsinks milled from solid copper to achieve low stable core temperatures.
CPU + Chipset + mobo noise is addressed by our power supply which has micro volt ripple, two 3.6 kg chokes and 660,000 farads of Mundorf caps. Not cheap, but highly effective. We could have used cheaper caps, but we can hear a difference. So being honest to our audiophile roots, there was only one way to go.
RAM noise, guess what, every brand and timing sounds different
Try powering the SSD with a lithium polymer battery, guess what it sounds better. That's what we did at Munich last year. It took us 4 months working with two different groups to get a power supply solution that sounded better than a Li-Po battery
The OCXO, we can hear a difference, and we think other audiophiles can too
The end result is expensive, but it delivers a sound quality at DSD512 that has to be heard to be believed. As Michael Lavorgna said "Clarity Squared"
A note on the Kodo, I have never heard Hypex amps sound as good as these, but as all ways you have to hear it and YMMV
Elberoth on WBF and CA has good ears, and a fantastic system at home. We were his No 2 system at Munich, only bested by Magico's powered by Solution 701 Monoblocs that go for a cool $ 155,000. The No 3 system also had Solution amps, at a multiple of cost of our total electronics package of US 25,000
I don't think the SGM team needs to be embarrassed by the price / performance of our system
I can completely understand how all of these fancy tweaks could make a big difference if used with a DAC with inferior USB interface implementation. Based on reports from you on CA, the T+A DAC 8 DSD is very sensitive to different source computers. You said you can even hear the difference between different processors with it. To me this proves that the USB interface implementation that's based on the Amanero, is a poor one. What other DAC's have you tried with it? Have you tried any DAC's with both galvanic isolation and reclocker in the USB interface such as the Phison PD2? In my experience, only DAC's with a USB interface built this way, and Ravenna have been immune to the quality of the server connected to them.
It would be really interesting to run an unsighted comparison between the Sound Galleries super server and an ordinary laptop, through the same DAC .
Keith
It would be really interesting to run an unsighted comparison between the Sound Galleries super server and an ordinary laptop, through the same DAC .
Keith
I want to come too... Will dig out my horse boxHi Keith,
We will be in the UK in June and a unsighted shootout with a laptop could certainly be arranged
IMHO the T+A DAC 8 DSD has a well above average galvanic isolation implementation
HiFi News in the UK also were of the opinion that the GI was well done
Make sure both are running Roon/Hqplayer with the exact same settings. Because 95% of the sound improvements with your server are due to Hqplayer. And the Phison PD2 should be used for the DAC upsampling to quad DSD with Poly-sinc-short-mp filter and DSD 256+ modulator. Because it will be the only 1 bit DSD DAC Keith has that is quad DSD capable, and also has a proper built USB interface.Hi Keith,
We will be in the UK in June and a unsighted shootout with a laptop could certainly be arranged
Maybe you should come tooMake sure both are running Roon/Hqplayer with the exact same settings. Because 95% of the sound improvements with your server are due to Hqplayer. And the Phison PD2 should be used for the DAC upsampling to quad DSD with Poly-sinc-short-mp filter and DSD 256+ modulator. Because it will be the only 1 bit DSD DAC Keith has that is quad DSD capable, and also has a proper built USB interface.
Maybe you should come too