Shouldn't we upgrade the 20-20 audible range ?!

[Adis]

Do you think you could tell the pitch difference between 20480 and 20000 Hz?

I can, it's 480 Hz.

 

[ZolaIII]

Yes, you see it as precisely 9 octaves.
Yet, I see it as arbitrarily 9.00 octaves. Why not 9.1 octaves, 8.5 octaves, etc. etc.?
We have different viewpoints, no?
Wouldn't 16Hz-16384Hz or 18-18432Hz be exactly 9 octaves? (another view)
Can you not accept the fact that another person can have a differing viewpoint? See my point?
Live and let live ... why must force another to your viewpoint ... and be intolerant of alternative viewpoint which is not wrong.

Peace of advice is to take analyser and stare at it a lot regarding music to find out what is important. It's not 20~20, most will be cut at 30 Hz and you will hardly find anything meaningful above 12.5 KHz in most and it will be in less than 10% materials. Never the less baundery is 20~20 for theoretical human hearing capabilities. Second and third octave from the bottom is most important as 90% of true peeks will be there. Have fun it's hobby just like train spotting.

 

[Greenman]

Not sure why everyone keeps talking about 9 octaves, it’s 10 octaves surely!!

Either way 20-20k is partially arbitrary and could just as easily be 19-19k or 21-21k but it’s pretty irrelevant as whatever it was you could make a similar argument. Fact is there is no useful musical information below 20hz or above 20k so not sure what the benefit of striving to produce it. Bit of a non issue.

 

[ZolaIII]

Disclaimer: before even attempting to reproduce this lower the volume output! It's quite literally driver sadomasuhism with whipping! And reason why it won't be a practice ever. I don't even know driver with Fs below 19 Hz and even getting to 23~24 is reserved for very big one's (15" or more) and with very large basket and magnets. Neadles to say not even 0.01% of people have such in their system.

Again please read disclaimer first and please do as I said. I won't be responsible for possible damage caused by doing otherwise!
Who likes take a look with analyser and see why I said whipping.

 

[solderdude]

It's a non issue.
Digital files (24/192) can easily do 5Hz to 50kHz that's 13 octaves.
For archival purposes this is more than sufficient.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

Disclaimer: before even attempting to reproduce this lower the volume output! It's quite literally driver sadomasuhism with wiping! And reason why it won't be a practice ever. I don't even know driver with Fs below 19 Hz and even getting to 23~24 is reserved for very big one's (15" or more) and with very large basket and magnets. Neadles to say not even 0.01% of people have such in their system.

Again please read disclaimer first and please do as I said. I won't be responsible for possible damage caused by doing otherwise!
Who likes take a look with analyser and see why I said whipping.

 

[Julf]

I can, it's 480 Hz.

"Pitch is closely related to frequency, but the two are not equivalent. Frequency is an objective, scientific attribute which can be measured. Pitch is the subjective perception of a sound wave by the individual person, which cannot be directly measured."

 

[Adis]

"Pitch is closely related to frequency, but the two are not equivalent. Frequency is an objective, scientific attribute which can be measured. Pitch is the subjective perception of a sound wave by the individual person, which cannot be directly measured."

Your point?
Mix pitch and frequency in a question and see who falls for it?

 

[Julf]

Your point?

My point is that the usual meaning of "to be able to tell" is "to be able to perceive", not "be able to describe in numbers".

 

[Adis]

My point is that the usual meaning of "to be able to tell" is "to be able to perceive", not "be able to describe in numbers".

You said "difference", and " difference" is a result of subtraction. Works with numbers only.
You know, math...

 

[pablolie]

You said "difference", and " difference" is a result of subtraction. Works with numbers only.
You know, math...

Is something is a cat and another thing is a dog, there's a clear "difference". Your reductionism fails. No, the result of a subtraction is not the only valid definition of difference.

 

[danadam]

You said "difference", and " difference" is a result of subtraction. Works with numbers only.
You know, math...

If you want to be that pedantic, then we only know you typed the difference, we don't know if you said (told?) it ;-)

 

[Adis]

If you want to be that pedantic, then we only know you typed the difference, we don't know if you said (told?) it ;-)

I stand corrected.

 

[Adis]

Is something is a cat and another thing is a dog, there's a clear "difference". Your reductionism fails. No, the result of a subtraction is not the only valid definition of difference.

Really? A clear difference?
So what's the difference between a cat and a dog?
Is it a mouse? Be clear, please!

 

[Julf]

You said "difference", and " difference" is a result of subtraction. Works with numbers only.
You know, math...

"difference - noun
1 a: the quality or state of being dissimilar or different
the difference between right and wrong
b: an instance of being unlike or distinct in nature, form, or quality
noted the differences in color and texture
c archaic: a characteristic that distinguishes one from another or from the average
… an absolute gentleman, full of the most excellent differences …— William Shakespeare
d: the element or factor that separates or distinguishes contrasting situations
Timing is often the difference between success and failure.
2: distinction or discrimination in preference
3 a: disagreement in opinion : dissension
b: an instance or cause of disagreement
unable to settle their differences
4
mathematics : the degree or amount by which things differ in quantity or measure
5
: a significant change in or effect on a situation
it makes no difference to me"

Merriam-Webster. You know, dictionary definition...

 

[Julf]

Really? A clear difference?
So what's the difference between a cat and a dog?
Is it a mouse? Be clear, please!

""difference - noun
1 a: the quality or state of being dissimilar or different"

 

[Adis]

""difference - noun
1 a: the quality or state of being dissimilar or different"

So the difference between a cat and a dog is a noun?
Thank you, now I know that.

 

[ZolaIII]

Really? A clear difference?
So what's the difference between a cat and a dog?
Is it a mouse? Be clear, please!

Difference is Aristotel, dragi Adise! We can discuss formal logic and it's boundaries including inheritance and doxa but it will end in semantics almost certainly at least regarding things being discussed.

 

[Julf]

So the difference between a cat and a dog is a noun?
Thank you, now I know that.

That is an interesting use of the word "know".

 

[Adis]

Difference is Aristotel, dragi Adise! We can discuss formal logic and it's boundaries including inheritance and doxa but it will end in semantics almost certainly at least regarding things being discussed.

Ja nemam pametnija posla tako da mi semantičke vratolomije ne smetaju uopšte.

And the translation:

I don't have anything better to do, so semantic stunts don't bother me at all.