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Should I "feel" the sound more with floorstanding speakers vs bookshelves?

Sokel

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The most common mistake we all do forgeting the principles is that we think that we will use subs to achieve higher SPL's.
That's not the way to do it.Subs are suppose to add range,in a good system we won't hear louder low's with a sub,we will hear deeper low's.
As a matter of fact scientific oriented method is described as:

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(from the Audiocheck.net)
 

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If you want to feel that chest bump like you would in a small jazz rock club you need a good sub array and good time alignment along with a good bass curve for your room.
 

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If you want to feel that chest bump like you would in a small jazz rock club you need a good sub array and good time alignment along with a good bass curve for your room.
Or a Devastaor or two. :p
 

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There is still a LOT of power needed for the mid-bass, especially if you are watching something with over the top bass and SPL like most of Nolan's stuff.

Christopher Nolan's stuff makes me turn off the TV, HiFi and go to bed.

I will never waste my time on his garbage films ever again. Done with his complete lack of understanding when it comes to sound. That absolute steaming pile, Tenet was the absolute last straw for me. Dunkirk was total crap and Interstellar could have been decent without the soundtrack and mixing. I'm convinced he actually must has some form of hearing impairment.
 

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All that "feel" you mean,if I understand correctly comes from 100-300Hz.
That is the advantage of the big 3-ways with the large woofers crossed at 200-300-400Hz.
And there's no substitute to that feel.It's what balances the whole thing and makes it sound in the right proportions.

Edit:whole,not hole.
Good floorstanders produce good midbass. Bookshelf and subwoofers do not.
 

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Christopher Nolan's stuff makes me turn off the TV, HiFi and go to bed.

I will never waste my time on his garbage films ever again. Done with his complete lack of understanding when it comes to sound. That absolute steaming pile, Tenet was the absolute last straw for me. Dunkirk was total crap and Interstellar could have been decent without the soundtrack and mixing. I'm convinced he actually must has some form of hearing impairment.
Yeah, Tenet was somehow simultaneously unwatchable AND unlistenable lol. A real tour de force of filmmaking.
 

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If you want to feel that chest bump like you would in a small jazz rock club you need a good sub array and good time alignment along with a good bass curve for your room.
Jazz rock clubs don't utilize time alignment. They use sub "arrays".
 

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Christopher Nolan's stuff makes me turn off the TV, HiFi and go to bed.

I will never waste my time on his garbage films ever again. Done with his complete lack of understanding when it comes to sound. That absolute steaming pile, Tenet was the absolute last straw for me. Dunkirk was total crap and Interstellar could have been decent without the soundtrack and mixing. I'm convinced he actually must has some form of hearing impairment.

Not a fan of Tenet or Interstellar but will be eternally grateful for his definitive Batman trilogy.
 

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Interstellar could have been decent without the soundtrack and mixing. I'm convinced he actually must has some form of hearing impairment.
I think that's on Zimmer's side.It's like following a pattern if you study his work.
He has a weird view for grandeur that sometimes works,sometimes not.

Clarity was never a strong point,just listen the Da Vinci Code soundtrack.
Of course no one denies he's a genius in his actual work.
 
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Remember folks, a microphone measures sound pressure, it does not measure tactile response. So, conventional SPL responses are not going to explain this. Tactile response is more related to sound intensity, which can increase with things like ports. This is why a ported sub typically has more tactile response than a sealed, for the same SPL.

So, probably the F208's lower port tune is creating higher sound intensity around the port tune frequency, which induces tactile response/mechanical vibration to things that respond at those lower frequencies.

After I realized this, I added a near-field ported mid-bass subwoofer to my system to complement my sealed subs. My SPL vs. frequency response didn't change much (after miniDSP/MSO integration), but I have a ton of TR now that I didn't have before.
This is it right here. Can’t look at a graph and figure out how it will feel.

It’s like how they say there’s no replacement for displacement about cars. There’s no replacement for proper volume in an enclosure. Towers just make sense giving volume from otherwise unused space.

Why buy and place a stand where you could have had volume for those drivers to work with some sense of ease?
 

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There is no replacement for displacement.

My main left and right speakers have dual 8” woofers and my two subs are 15”. I love the tactile impact of a good action movie; it’s even better at THX reference levels. Interstellar is amazing on my system.

My stereo speakers have dual 9” woofers in a hybrid transmission line. I love the physical impact they bring to well recorded rock.

I’ve owned bookshelves but much prefer big floor standers.

Martin
 

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I stopped reading after the highlighted sentence :facepalm:

There may be several monitor systems on the market that you can trust as far as the frequency response goes. But what about the atmospherics which an artist creates? What about the subtle movements of the air around the artist?
Can the true message from the artist really reach you if the system fails to capture this air movement?
 

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There is no replacement for displacement.

My main left and right speakers have dual 8” woofers and my two subs are 15”. I love the tactile impact of a good action movie; it’s even better at THX reference levels. Interstellar is amazing on my system.

My stereo speakers have dual 9” woofers in a hybrid transmission line. I love the physical impact they bring to well recorded rock.

I’ve owned bookshelves but much prefer big floor standers.

Martin
Another interesting thing I heard from an audiophile mentor when I was much younger.

He related bass power to “automotive” power. I guess in a place where people used 2HP mopeds to get around and the motorcycles were limited to 12HP it makes sense.
 
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