I'll rent a room in the hotel of the venue, with beer, and alcohol included.
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solderdude
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Why should we ?
You guys brought up the issue that's why
solderdude
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If you don't care why are you here ?
I find it interesting that the people here don't believe that blind testing can be done, yet refuse to participate in a challenge to scientifically prove they are right...
solderdude
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You probably meant that you find it interesting that we question the blind test and would like to see it repeated say... in front of a camera... with the level matching procedure in it too ?
What's odd about that ... from an ASR standpoint ?
That you don't want to see it in real life, imagine if the Earth was round?
solderdude
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So we should just take the blind test as irrefutable evidence of 'something yet unexplained' instead and are not allowed to question it ?
Make an effort to refute it
solderdude
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We can't... we're frikkin' deaf so we are told.
We need some golden-eared individual to repeat the test preferably witnessed by an unbiased and technically competent person.
That's the whole point.
We need some golden-eared individual to repeat the test preferably witnessed by an unbiased and technically competent person.
That's the whole point.
A live broadcast YT stream of DBT Volume matched to 0.01dB ABX testing from neither parties of SBAF and ASR such as the 6 year old kid from Head-Fi should be the participant instead. I think kids are more honest with what they perceive than adults IMHO:
Nutul
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I am almost sick of hearing your blatancy, anyway I take a minute of my time to summarise what I got so far:
1. it's not a matter of not believing that blind tests can be done, it's being sure they are indeed blind.
2. why should we prove they are scientifically right? We, out of experience, doubt they are. OTOH, who claims they are scientifically right, is the one that has to demonstrate it.
I do not think you find interesting, I think you just don't believe enough in knowledge, experience and measurements, and still blindly (what else, regarding the topic...?) believe what's said around.
The true thing is that it would indeed be amazingly interesting to have a proper blind test done, scientifically proven to be such, and an individual passing such test describing the differences he was able to hear, and finally have the gear measured and scrutinised at sub-atomic level in order to understand what it is that could make an auditory difference, and we do not / can not measure yet. This is. It is not fear.
Moreover, comments like "You're the non believer, not me." clearly state that you believe; hence the question "Why do you believe" cannot, ethimologically speaking, be answered with "I don't care". It could, OTOH. be answered with "Because I have faith".
Others, like "I don't take orders from women" and "By the way, I didn't realize you look like a man, people usually post a likeness for their avatar" clearly denote a very low self-esteem that needs to be overcome with arrogance. This is another reason people here may not GAS about what you mumble. Take a life, my friend. (I'm joking, you obviously are not a friend of mine, just some unimportant and uneducated text on a forum)
oleg87
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If it was easy to do so, I would happily make the attempt.
Since Marv has not provided evidence of or proposed a mechanism for a performance defect in either amp that could account for an easily discernible difference, we are left with a claim of seemingly superhuman hearing ability. I've done enough blind tests to know my hearing is merely human, so even if Marv has been gifted (or cursed?) with being able to hear something that's buried 80dB below a musical signal it's not particularly interesting to me, beside pure intellectual curiosity.
restorer-john
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There's more to it than that.
Nutul
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Hmm, stereo is just that. The music you use to have 2 voltages fill you ears with joy is a complete different story, though.
We are. We are discussing it and trying to teach you the pitfalls of believing in someone's claims. You don't want to listen. So the lack of effort is on you, not us.
raif71
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imho, ABX testing is overrated. Nobody listens to music like that. I have quite a number of amps at my disposal and I can say that from listening over time, I enjoy Schiit asgard 3 more than Topping L50 but then again, that's me.
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Nutul
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Of course people do not listen like that. Listening like that is done only to take out of the equation any - conscious or not - listener BIAS in judging the equipment.
The real question is, now, to you: can you describe what is it that makes you like the Asgard "3 more" than Topping L50? This would be astonishingly important, because then the two DACs could be scrutinised in search of differences, for subtle they could be. So what is it? More bass, more clarity, more separation, wider sound-stage, more details?
I thought I had that position all wrapped up? Darn it to heck. Already ordered the Hat…
