graz_lag
Major Contributor
Mr. T Smith may want to consider this "Pico" instead, it will help him a lot in going thru this catastrophic review of his DAC ...
-
WANTED: Happy members who like to discuss audio and other topics related to our interest. Desire to learn and share knowledge of science required. There are many reviews of audio hardware and expert members to help answer your questions. Click here to have your audio equipment measured for free!
Review and Measurements of PS Audio PerfectWave DirectStream DAC
- Thread starter amirm
- Start date
Mr. T Smith may want to consider this "Pico" instead, it will help him a lot in going thru this catastrophic review of his DAC ...
FooYatChong
Active Member
Paul decided it's about time to keep an eye on that thread at PS Audio.
https://forum.psaudio.com/t/another-review-of-the-ds-dac/13027/255
https://forum.psaudio.com/t/another-review-of-the-ds-dac/13027/255
graz_lag
Major Contributor
Two bottles of "Barolo Pico" then! Let's do a crate of six so everyone in the R&D can enjoy it!
They don't like us over there , but we are all so charming ha ha ..
Weeeeellllllll Thomas, what a great comment...waffle waffle waffle...…..gibberish gibberish...…..burble burble....and that's why the DS DAC is such a terrific product, be good y'all
Please don't tell me they designed the dac with a picoscope.
I think as a rule of thumb your instrumentation should cost more than 1/4 of the retail of the product you're designing.
This does raise an interesting question though - what is the barrier to entry for designing high quality audio electronics? What's the cheapest device that can reliably measure audio performance to say 110db?
I think as a rule of thumb your instrumentation should cost more than 1/4 of the retail of the product you're designing.
This does raise an interesting question though - what is the barrier to entry for designing high quality audio electronics? What's the cheapest device that can reliably measure audio performance to say 110db?
Last edited:
I'm not familiar with audio electronics design, but how do you know if your design performs well if you don't have instrumentation to confirm that?
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2019
- Messages
- 1,501
- Likes
- 2,822
Right, given time to build some external test fixtures you could do a lot with nothing but that picoscope. That's engineering.
Exactly. I remember seeing far better DACs than this PS piece of schiit designed with less capable intruments than Picoscope.
I have a DMM, maybe I should switch careers
- Joined
- Feb 23, 2016
- Messages
- 20,792
- Likes
- 37,693
I'm learning lots of things about test signals I never knew reading that thread with Ted's posts in it. Quite entertaining really. Ted is able to almost show his design gets close to 16 bit resolution. Besides what difference does it make. He says the ear can filter out white noise very easily.
I'm also learning lots about Amir I didn't know. I bet Amir doesn't know it either.
I'm also learning lots about Amir I didn't know. I bet Amir doesn't know it either.
AudioSceptic
Major Contributor
Would -90 dB be audible, even with very efficient speakers, and in any case, that's the DAC, not the amp, and wouldn't you reduce the power/gain from the amp to compensate for the increased efficiency?
Shadrach
Addicted to Fun and Learning
- Joined
- Feb 24, 2019
- Messages
- 678
- Likes
- 980
The important point is getting buried in the chucking graphs around and ego pissing contests again.
It doesn't matter what instruments got used in the design, or the measurement of the final product.
It doesn't matter if the design provides a dac that performs better than out hearing can determine.
Sure it's a nice looking unit. That does matter but it doesn't matter $5,700 worth!
There are a lot of dacs that will perform to this level and above in the $200 to $300 price bracket.
There are a few that will match it for $100.
All I would want to know if I could be bothered to ask is how is the price justifiable?
You could buy the all singing all dancing Benchmark HGC for a third of the price if you wanted one of the best performing dacs.
There are plenty of others that look good and perform better even if that performance is beyond our hearing capability.
It's the price, not the performance with many of these products. This particular dac is a rip off. It's that simple.
It doesn't matter what instruments got used in the design, or the measurement of the final product.
It doesn't matter if the design provides a dac that performs better than out hearing can determine.
Sure it's a nice looking unit. That does matter but it doesn't matter $5,700 worth!
There are a lot of dacs that will perform to this level and above in the $200 to $300 price bracket.
There are a few that will match it for $100.
All I would want to know if I could be bothered to ask is how is the price justifiable?
You could buy the all singing all dancing Benchmark HGC for a third of the price if you wanted one of the best performing dacs.
There are plenty of others that look good and perform better even if that performance is beyond our hearing capability.
It's the price, not the performance with many of these products. This particular dac is a rip off. It's that simple.
Similar threads
