It is true that in Australia, you have worrying and even dangerous critters that enter homes... In France, house spiders are small and harmless and they bring good luck and people are starting to understand that they should not not kill them or put them outside when they are trapped in the empty bathtub, but take them by hand and place them on the floor or on a wall. This is the season when they come into the house to spend the winter... I have one who comes out of his hiding place every evening and crosses the living room, always taking the same path to get his food. But no rats or mice... Do you really think she could take up residence in an enclosure? I'm going to prepare a rental lease for him and ask for a three-month deposit: times are tough.I'd pick a speaker with a front port, not a rear port like the M106. You'd lose the benefit of the port in the listening room AND catch a whole lot of spiders, bugs and maybe a rat or two would make a nice nest in the speaker. It'd be a perfect nesting box for creatures.
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Won’t all speakers sound different depending on how they are placed in a room?I have a question about wall and ceiling mounted speakers, since there is no cabinet, wouldn't it sound different depending how it's installed?
And wouldn't it measure differently depending if they are free standing and how they are installed?
I don't find it difficult to imagine why it is a struggle to get good results in what result to both mounted in an infinite baffle, small bookshelf and huge tower.I just don’t understand how they can’t build and design a half way decent ceiling speaker? Where a minor Train Wreck is considered not bad. Thanks for the Review and work Amir. Someday you are going to give one of these speakers your approval. I just hope to live long enough to be here for it!
That's true. I guess, I'm trying to figure out how does one design a "good" in-wall and/or in ceiling speaker. If you take a free standing speaker, it's a finished product, you know consistently how it performs if you were to take the room out of the equation, and the manufacturer has much more control on how it performs.Won’t all speakers sound different depending on how they are placed in a room?
an infinite baffle
Yeah. That was indirectly my point. Why bother doing "regular" tests of a driver which is going into an "irregular" montage..But here is the thing, with most homes, at least in North America, you won't get infinite baffle, there are studs and beams.
And the resonance control is probably terrible with dry wall, maybe in some other regions of the world where the wall are concrete you have better resonance control, but I suspect not many would want to drill a hole through concrete to install in-wall/in-ceiling speakers.
My feeling is that the whole idea of in-wall and in-ceiling speakers is more catered to professional settings or if in private settings, the architecture and space is prioritized before sound quality.
Agree. Sorry, I totally missed your point. But I suspect the measurements naked probably is useful to help with design, to rule out some obvious design flaws.Yeah. That was indirectly my point. Why bother doing "regular" tests of a driver which is going into an "irregular" montage..
Kef CI-250RRM seems to be textbook perfection based on their data sheets, however… unbelievably expensive.
This is all true, but if one is able to control the back-box geometry on an in wall, you have the ideal infinite baffle, no front wall cancellations and zero baffle step, in-walls should perform better than boxes. I too, want more testing and knowledge on in-wall speakers.I have serious doubts about in-wall and in-ceiling speakers in general. But I'm hoping to get more science on how good/bad in-wall and in-ceiling speakers are.
Good info. Not that I was interested in in-wall nor in-ceiling to begin with, but this information is important for consumers to know. Thanks!It is tough to sell high quality speakers into this market. The custom installation requirements are high sales margin (as much as 60%!) and shallow depth/ease of installation. Sound quality is hard to sell to most customers who buy these finished systems.