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NAD C700 vs Wiim Ultra

For me Dirac and XLR outputs ..

Based on the above logic though, would there be any benefit from jumping from the Ultra to something like the M66 ..
 
For me Dirac and XLR outputs ..

Based on the above logic though, would there be any benefit from jumping from the Ultra to something like the M66 ..
Same principle... different features and also that unquantified 'pride of ownership '.
I'd stick with the WiiM, but I'd be delighted if someone gave me an M66 :)
 
For me Dirac and XLR outputs ..

Based on the above logic though, would there be any benefit from jumping from the Ultra to something like the M66 ..

miniDSP Flex balanced (and Flex HTx) with Dirac should be of interest to you, paired with a Wiim pro for streaming.

That's where I went after Wiim Ultra, anyway.
 
I own all of these streamers and dacs. I have my actual informed opinion on the sound. Not how they test. Answered the original posters question having owned what he was asking about.
Well then, it's settled. If only more people realized their opinions are all that matters we could advance the state of the art at a much greater pace.
 
I wouldn't consider the Bluesound to be an upgrade from the Ultra.
The value of a streamer is in what feeder streams it's set up to accept, whether and how it can access one's own audio files, weight and size, input and output capabilities and user interface. And the relative importance of these is dependent upon the individual.

Bottom line: the Bluesound system is, to me, the pinnacle. I don't suggest it is for anyone else.
 
Hardly, I'm responding to the OP who asked specifically about two things and I told him my thoughts on one being far superior than the other. I'm not going out there finding people who use and love the wiim ultra dac and telling them off. I'm telling the guy above that if he can get a least a c700 to stay away from the Ultra. He will not be happy with the sound. I have found some cheap older Dac's for a 2-300 that are HEAVY and made differently. I'm sure the numbers don't add up for you all, but the sound ALSO sounded more enjoyable to me than the detail of the ultra dac.
NAD C700 is crap, NAD M10 ist the best :D *popcorn*
 
Question if I may..

Connected to my NAD c298, what would proved better performance?

Wiim Ultra > RCA > NAD C298

NAD C700 > Pre Out > NAD C298

I presume the Wiim as it has a better Dac but I thought I would ask to see what you guys think..
Someone with common sense and no doubt also an asr fan on another wiim forum asked the following question...
"I noticed a lot of people here are buying the WiiM Ultra and proceeding to buy an alternative DAC. Why? If you were going to buy another DAC, why didn’t you just buy a mini?"

My response was as follows...

"It depends. For me, i had a wiim pro and an rme dac and a project digital phono stage and had £350 burning a hole in my pocket. I knew there would be no improvements in sound. I just convinced my wallet that usb out, reducing boxes (phono stage) and the nicer looking box and screen would complete me :) It was a little treat. What surprised me was the things i hadn't considered a) how good the sound was without my external dac straight from the WiiM ultra...it really suited my system better tonally. b) The easier user experience and subsequent better tuning of sound from tweaking eq from wiim app than manual messing with rme peq c) How useful and easy to experiment with the excellent bass management system was. I'd been toying with buying an expensive minidsp or far more expensive NAD M series box...the wiim ultra gave me all this and more...for pennies on the pound versus these other options....which by the way had god awful usability, glitches and poorly developed digital app experiences. A pleasant additional surprise. The only reason i still have the rme dac in the chain is a) sunk cost fallacy - loved the rme so much when i got it so i have an emotional attachment to the lovely little box of german magic b) the misguided irrational belief that xlr sounds better c) the misguided belief that the rme being more expensive is better d) subjective Bias when listening that the rme is somehow more resolving, has more space, less harsh and all that usual unmeasurable hifi guff we all love.
In reality i have made an emotional rather than logical decision to keep the rme dac. In reality tweaking the eq on the wiim makes sooooo much more difference than any dac can and will ever make.
In simple terms and avoiding unnecessary cost, time and upgraditis, you just could buy a £350 WiiM ultra and a pair of active speakers (my preference is huge active ATC's)...tune it well and it would be objectively better than most other systems regardless of price. Ymmv."


Noone wants to hear this level of honesty
 
The value of a streamer is in what feeder streams it's set up to accept, whether and how it can access one's own audio files, weight and size, input and output capabilities and user interface. And the relative importance of these is dependent upon the individual.

Bottom line: the Bluesound system is, to me, the pinnacle. I don't suggest it is for anyone else.
It's ok to be and buy emotionally. Just admit that. You like the product. It's not objectively better in asr terms. Both can be true. Having self awareness of both emotional and scientific sensibilities can save anguish and money. Embracing our rational and irrational natures and finding balance is the key to happiness.
 
Hardly a Troll. You guys all forget that the point of this is to enjoy music. I have all the things the OP asked about. If he wants the best musical experience, the C700 will romp on the wiim ultra in every way. It's just that simple. Buy both and A/b them and measurements aside, I'm pretty sure every single one of you would prefer the C700. Yes it's a little more, but It gives a far more enjoyable experience. You guys sound just off. I've owned maybe 10 dacs, obsess over finding the best bang for buck items that bring about the highest level of music satisfaction . Your measurements are only part of the equation. I have an interior design business and sell speaker systems to some of the biggest music producers in the world. I don't sell to audiophile types for the reasons above. You guys are so full of yourselves when real world sound and experience is what ultimately matters.
Yep we twitchy niche audiophiles are not an easy sell :)...especially the ones like you and me who it seems make emotional and objective decisions. You are right that this is art and emotions and science can both apply. Those music producers you sell to will want both though i imagine. They will want beautiful looks and sound. Sound reproduction is and always has been theoretical and emperical science combined into wonderment...whether a stradivarius or a WiiM ultra theough some massive cool looking horn speakers, hence i'd suggest that keeping a foot in both form and function camps is the right approach. Just being an extremist in either alone leads to poor outcomes. I treat this asr forum as a counterbalance to my emotional nature, not as some religious dogma. And that makes me happy and keeps my feet and my wallet grounded. Have an emotional attachment to the marantz uber gizmo by all means. Don't discount the possibility that the wiim ultra can sound just as good...especially if tweaked by eq to sound more 'marantzy'. Peace and love. Beef.
 
It's ok to be and buy emotionally. Just admit that. You like the product. It's not objectively better in asr terms. Both can be true. Having self awareness of both emotional and scientific sensibilities can save anguish and money. Embracing our rational and irrational natures and finding balance is the key to happiness.
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about high fidelity.
 
The c700 is an unbelievable dac and preamp for the money. The Wiim in all forms other than an optical streamer are awful. The Wiim ultra is a terrible dac. I've compare the c700 to the Pontus 2 12th and ares 2 . The c700 wins by a landslide. Use the c700. I've run it into many amps with absolute sonic bliss.

So much nonsense in so little time. Impressive!!!
OP please ignore all the nonsense "Shared" by that poster.
He thinks he is at headfi forum where all feedback is based on imagination and nonsense lol
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For me Dirac and XLR outputs ..

Based on the above logic though, would there be any benefit from jumping from the Ultra to something like the M66 ..
A Bluesound Node Icon would also be an option.
 
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