No nothing inadvertent about that in fact. These things can be purely academic, arguing about the wettest water... It can act as a black hole if you like, that was my point albeit hidden!Ah, I see you addressed this already & even made an inadvertently amusing comment on this thread, calling it a "hole thread"
When I have relevant measurements to show, I will present them - I see no point in producing irrelevant measurements - I do see a point in making suggestions to tease out what might be at the bottom of the differences shown in the measurements, however.
Yes, I agree & it's a question that I have been trying to study in ASA (auditory scene analysis) as I believe that we process & extract patterns from the data stream presented by our auditory & visual senses. I know Tim would counter that the signals have to be above the threshold of audibility for this pattern extraction but first we have to ask, how are we judging "thresholds of audibility"? With tones & sounds which don't contain repeating patterns & secondly, is audibility only what is consciously recognised or is there a deeper, non-conscious awareness that makes it's way into conscious perception as "naturalness", "believability" - some would call these impressions or preferences but it is food for thought.
Ah, thanks! Do I get a gold star & moved out of the "bold boys" section of the classroom?No nothing inadvertent about that in fact. These things can be purely academic, arguing about the wettest water... It can act as a black hole if you like, that was my point albeit hidden!
You found it, though thought it a mistake... What would we do without you John?
Tim, my measurements so far have shown me that the working principles behind the Regen & microRendu are not shown in simplistic measurements & I have no alternative measurements that would help or be of any great service to anybody. Yet, I know that the Regen itself improves the sound & greatly improves the sound when powered differently because I have experimented with it & I & others have heard the effects. Are they measurable? Not in any way that I have tried to measure them.
Sorry? We can only ask questions or suggest alternative avenues of measurement if we have data to bring to the discussion?
Unfortunately you both recognised me but also insulted and sold me shortAh, thanks! Do I get a gold star & moved out of the "bold boys" section of the classroom?
You remain my indulgence John, your wit though barely registering above common base standard is at times worthy of my attention.. Hey a dead clocks right twice a day!...Sponsored?
We will never allow such a potentially ethically compromised situation to occur on the ASR.
Sorry if I misunderstood your meaning of 'sponsored' but I don't think I did ..
Thanks again for your input I really appreciate it!
No John, that's not the case.
Is this what you are talking about? Even with a much less resolving test setup, this confirms Amir's measurement of the ifi PSU.
It's almost like they drink their own kool aid , see a way of making money and get lost in the adulation of delusional audiophiles that are also over invested in the egotistical imagination of the self..One thing I find interesting and bewildering at the same time is that why are these Audio related companies not buying, begging , borrowing or stealing the necessary equipment needed to test their wares, from end to end, before releasing their product and sales pitch to the masses? I mean for fucks sake man, this should be common sense! Unless of course the goal all along is to just make a quick buck and disappear into the darkness before anyone finds out
On the other hand, if these companies have any plans to stick around a while in the land of audiophile madness they need to be doing their due diligence with FULLY testing their product and catering their sales pitch to the results of those tests. If the tests show no worthwhile results then they need to pick up their ball and head home and find a new line of work. Their are plenty of Joe Shmoe's on the Internet these days with free time, some extra money and the knowledge needed of how to use a measuring probe and interpret the results which can easily stir up a smear campaign and make a company and a product look real bad by calling its advertising bluff.
I often see the excuse thrown around that these companies don't do testing because of the cost involved with said equipment. I've also seen the excuse used that they lack the knowledge of how to test the equipment properly. Well, I'm calling Bullshit on both excuses. For the cost of just a few of the units they are selling they could hire a professional to do it for them. As far as not having the skills to use the testing equipment, well four letters come to mind here....RTFM!
It is not -120 db with the iFi Power supply. It rises to almost -90 dbFS:
Yes, that's it. He also measured several other PSes. I just posted the link as an FYI. I'm not trying editorialize.
