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Kef Blade 2 vs Revel Salon 2s [can only demo one of them] - totally over thinking it - please help

I went down the thought process of spending a lot on speakers in an apartment setup. Ultimately I felt that there were too many unsolvable problems to make it worthwhile.

Ended up putting that toward house downpayment (California RIP). Can't say if it was worth it from sound quality perspective. It's been 2 weeks and I haven't set anything up lol.
 
I finally did - I’m stilling waiting on the credenza to be finished before sharing pics

I got a hella deal on the Salon2s (powered by some benchmark ahb2 amps) and I’m over the moon... currently designing some acoustic panels and very very happy

Awesome!

Just don't go crazy on the panels (especially for the sidewalls). The revel's claim to fame is their superbly uniform wide directivity :)
 
I have heard the Kef Blade 2 on numerous occasions in different rooms with various amplifications, and must say they are extraordinarily good-sounding speakers. When I directly compared them against Kii Three BXT, I found the Blade's to be smoother and more refined from the midrange and up making it sound sweeter and more relaxed at loud spl. Below 250 hz it's no contest as the BXT is just mind boggling.

I'm not so sure the Blade is better than the Reference series even though Kef would like you to think so. The Reference series isn't a point coincident source like the Blade, but the off-axis response is smoother. I haven't compared them side by side, but I've heard some highly experienced people say that they find the Reference series more fun and entertaining, whatever that means. To me they sound about the same even though the Blade is far more expensive with more fancy drivers and enclosure. Which, of course, means that I find the Blade to be too expensive for the level of performance they provide.

Disregarding anecdotal impressions, my opinion in your case is that any such expensive speaker will be wasted in a listening environment like that. For the same amount (or less) you would get far more performance with cheaper speakers, a few subwoofers, dsp and some dedicated acoustical treatment for first reflections. Whether that would be the Revels or something much cheaper isn't for me to say, but I'd start with good-measuring cheap active speakers, multi-channel dsp like a MiniDsp and a few woofers to get a feel for what level of performance you're likely to get in your living room. Here's the issues I can see;

- Close proximity to back wall will lead to bass problems and uncomfortable levels of first reflection sound power.
- Close proximity to glass wall on one side and a more open space on the other side will lead to a shift in stereo imaging towards the glass wall as well as a "hard" sound due to uneven frequency dependent reflections.
- Speaker in a corner will make the bass situation worse and will overpower the inherent clarity of quality speakers.

I can relate to your room because my listening room is very much alike, and I can present you with a lot of measurements to show the inherent problems in such an environment as well as the effect of acoustical treatments and dsp to counter it. While it's hypothetically never a bad idea to get as good speakers as one can, there's a point where better speakers becomes irrelevant to the overall sound quality in a given environment.
In this case I'd say that this point comes quite early in the price range of quality speakers and therefore you'd be better off fixing the worst of the room problems with other means instead of throwing more money at the problem.
Best bet might be the Dutch & Dutch 8Cs.
 
And I think their price premium is for the aesthetics of the design which won't be liked by everyone, but will be loved by those who want a contemporary design.

KEF has a cross promotion with Porsche. As for the price premium, in high end audio, it's hard to say.
 
I am going to own a pair of blade or blade 2 speakers b4 I die. even if for only a little while.
 
I had the salon 2 and now own a pair of kef blade speakers, but if my preference was 40% music with a equal mixing of gaming and television I would lower my budget considerably. Buy a pair of JBL or Klipsch that will be fun and dynamic.

When comparing 2 pair of speakers at +$20k the only wrong answer is buying the pair someone else tells you to buy. buyers remorse is very real and buying something because folk on a forum tell you to, especially the fanatics that tell you not to trust your ears! Trust this you'll be listening with your own ears so buy the ones you like, preferably with a home demo.
 
I finally did - I’m stilling waiting on the credenza to be finished before sharing pics

I got a hella deal on the Salon2s (powered by some benchmark ahb2 amps) and I’m over the moon... currently designing some acoustic panels and very very happy
Hi, if you get a chance please share pics. Thanks in advance.
 
Hi,

I'm in analysis paralysis; each new pair of speakers I listen to I fall in love with....

I have a room that is 14x17 with an open plan kitchen off to the side: I'm the only person who will use this space - my guess is 40% music / 30% sport/films / 30% games

Based on reviews and other forums I'd guessed I would end up with: Kef R11 & R3 Srs + Rega Elicit <-> Marantz AVR HT pass thru | C9 77inch

However when I went to listen to the R11s the bass sounded muddy to my ears so the dealer showed me the Sopra 2 "for fun"

Sopra 2s + Mc 2600 + Mc 462

Wow!! So engaging and fun - we tried some other solid state amps but it created some harshness on the highs, the Mc stuff chilled the Sopra 2s out a little and it felt very musical and for want of a better word "fun". I thought i was set on this setup with a Marantz 8802 to take care of HT duty.

Devore Gibbon X

In the spirit of best practices I tried to listen to some more speakers; these couldn't have been more different - it was as if the music had been slowed down, everything was more mellow - at first it was jarring but after 45 mins + I realized that I could listen to these speakers for hours at a time without ever tiring. They sounded mature and the setup felt more "Audiophile" like to me.

Kef Blade 2 + Mc 2600 + Mc 462

Well damn! The first 90 seconds I was a little confused why the highs weren't as engaging as the Sopra considering the extra cost but then the lows and mids kicked in and I realized I was playing at a different level - insanely coherent, lighting fast bass (I'm worried almost too much) while at the same time giving the sense that I could listen for hours and never become fatigued.

Amps

After getting home from the Blade 2 demo I cracked open my laptop and started to read, a lot!! I've spent time on reddit, avs, av, stevehoffman etc - but last night I discovered this forum and it's opened my ears - pun intended - to applying a more engineering mindset to this hobby.

The Mc while delicious sounding make me thing they are a poor use of cash compared to alternatives - so whichever speakers I choose I'm thinking either the ATI 6xxx or Benchmark AHB2

Room layout and size

with all this said, the more reading I do the more I'm convinced that even with all of the acoustic treatment I'm installing that I can't get the speakers far enough away from the walls to justify these types of speakers and I'd be better off with some cheap bookshelves.

The bit to notice in the layout I included is that the first reflection is close to the window (although I'll get a theatre grade curtain there) - but it's still in the corner and if you remember the Blade 2 has side firing woofers that make me think they are a non starter.

Curve ball - Revel Salon 2 un-heared @13k

Today I was called by my dealer telling me he can get me a pair of demo Revel Salon 2 for $13k as opposed to the Blade 2s at $25k - however he'd be shipping them in from his friend who has a Revel dealership on the east coast. Point is I couldn't send them back and I can't demo them - they'd be a full warranty though.

So.... at this point my heads in a spin

1) Is my room too small and I can't position any of these speakers properly anyway so why bother...
2) Would you choose: Kef Blade 2 @$25k or Salon 2 @$13k without hearing them

3) Would you partner these speakers with:
- Lyndorf MP50 -> ATI6002 + ATI 6003
- Lyndorf MP50 -> ATI6005
- Lyndorf MP50 -> Benchmark AHB2 x 5
*The dealer was saying he's not convinced the ATI or Benchmark is enough to drive the Salon 2s and I might want two for each front speaker

NB: this forum and the reviews are amazing! thank you.
Any halfway decent amp will do. Don’t obsess over electronics. I personally own the Salon 2 I like broad dispersion speakers so would take the Revels over the KEF.

13k for an ex demo par of Salons is a good price. I’d grab them before someone else does.
 
He did, five years ago...
 
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