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PGAMiami

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It’s just sad to see how this wonderful hobby has degenerate. I remember building cables at Peter McGrath’s Sound Components in 1977 in Miami back when I was a rising sophomore studying EE. The Radio Shack stuff was poorly made and Monster was just getting started. The great American brands, like Marantz, had mostly been sold. There was a spec race to get the most watts and lowest THD, with very little understanding of IMD, the issues with too much negative feedback and undersized power supplies. This is what gave birth to brands like Levinson, Krell, Conrad Johnson and Spectral. They really did sound and measure better than the cheap stuff coming from Japan. And the fist iterations of CD players were also pretty awful. It took a while to understand that the typical measurements one relied on for tubes, didn’t apply well for transistors with huge feedback. And also the reliable analogue specs didn’t measure digital‘s biggest flaws. This all opened the door for the fabled golden ears that then tossed out all science. What a shame.
 

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Not even close , the MSB whatever is $225,000.oo ...

but for TT there is this contraption/aberration
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Can be yours for $650,000.oo:eek:


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Wow, that makes my stomach rumble and my heart flutter. Who would have ever thought to use The Terminator as a tonearm?!? That's brilliant!

I suspect the two speed indicators on the right are programmed to always read 33.33, so the owner can feel secure they bought the best.

Interesting choice to use something that looks like an etch-a-sketch (sans knobs) as the main display. Surprised they did not adhere gold leaf over the plastic frame. Lost opportunity....
 

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Check that optical link:

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Don't they make systems for converting optical light over fiber optic to power for certain applications? I'm pretty sure you could isolate your entire house from the grid with a cable that big. Just think: No more 60 Hz hum. Ever. And as an added bonus when you unhook the cable you can use it to shoot down Chinese spy balloons. :p Just don't look down the end of it...
 

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On the bright side, price includes installation and setup by the owner of the company. He flies from Madrid, Spain to anywhere in the world to do the installation. Installation should take no more than 2 days. Just to properly attach the optical fiber link cable takes 1 day. The second day is to figure out what the heck those 6 knobs on the front are for.
 

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Someone should set this Wadax crap up at an audio show but use a raspberry pi running LMS via USB into a Topping DAC behind the scenes to actually play the music.

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It only takes one person to install the optical cable? Is he a former Mr. Universe?
 

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Personally as soon as I see a TAS link I'm just prepared to add the laughing emojis,
 

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Only 470 kg / 1034 lbs of aluminum block to make the various chassis, of the server + dac. Just the chassis, mind you.

For the server: "Machined from 150 kg / 330 lbs of high-spec aluminium alloy." Final weight is 43 kg / 94 lbs.

For the DAC: "5 different and specific alloys are used and more than 320 kg / 704 lbs of alloy is the starting point for the production of the chassis." I could not find the final product weight listed on their web page. Their budget DAC, the Atlantis, has a DAC + PSU total of 56 kg / 123lbs.

The server alone generates ~110 kg / 242 lbs of aluminum shavings waste.

The resources and manpower required to generate this item boggles the mind. All to create a device that can be matched and probably outperformed by an Intel NUC/Mac Mini and a Topping/SMSL Dac. :facepalm:

Check out my album recommendation for today.
 
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Check that optical link:

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Is this some strange attempt to pornify HiFi? In military use on a jet there are two higher level objectives. Weight and redundancy. The wieght will need to be minimal for the use case, but allowed to increase for redundancy. Redundancy will relate to the forces, vibrations ,rapid temperature fluctuations etc.to ensure that in the even of minor damage to one part, the unit itself will continue to operate. I cannot see how this military aproach could possibly improve anything or be necessary for this kit, outside of it being used in a very well accoustically treated cockpit on a fighter jet.
 

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Is this some strange attempt to pornify HiFi? In military use on a jet there are two higher level objectives. Weight and redundancy. The wieght will need to be minimal for the use case, but allowed to increase for redundancy. Redundancy will relate to the forces, vibrations ,rapid temperature fluctuations etc.to ensure that in the even of minor damage to one part, the unit itself will continue to operate. I cannot see how this military aproach could possibly improve anything or be necessary for this kit, outside of it being used in a very well accoustically treated cockpit on a fighter jet.
I think in this case, it’s more propaganda warfare that is being used ;)
 

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You made me click.. I had promised myself, not to...
It was a good laugh... $59,000.oo and the DAC itself is $225,000.oo.. Quoting from the ... review/paeans/commercial...


What a humongous pile of bovine feces.

Peace.
Get a couple for the kids!
 

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Someone should set this Wadax crap up at an audio show but use a raspberry pi running LMS via USB into a Topping DAC behind the scenes to actually play the music.

Martin
I bet that's what is actually inside this thing....and I bet the Waveform knobs don't do anything.

I am sure that this device is nothing more than a bunch of off the shelf components mounted in an expensive custom machined enclosure.
 

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Well I read below the line, always a mistake - and there is no unseeing that stuff. Still since I am now blind, at least I'll never have to see any more of it... :facepalm:


PS - is audiogon so named because any discussion that is actually relevant to audio quality no longer exists there?
Add an 'e' to the end of audiogon, and it done! Youve completed the square and can now factor it!
 

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This crazy-expensive server must be mated to Wadax’s equally crazy-expensive ($225,000) Reference DAC to realize both products’ performance potentials.

Can't argue with that.
 
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