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Panelhead

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I hooked up a pair of stereo integrated amps in bridge mode recently. Sonic nirvana.
After a couple months both developed a hiss after playing for an hour or two. But only on the input connected to a source. Both amps close to the same. The open inputs are totally silent on high efficiency horn speakers.
How this was identified.
A week ago after playing for several hours got close to the mid and tweeter horns. Heard an annoying hiss when head was close to the speaker. Could not hear 2’ away but easy to hear at 1’ away. Mainly from tweeter, 4K crossover. Some from mid.
Blamed dac. Selected another analog input and no noise. Swapped back and forth. Had to be dac. Had another of these dacs, hooked it up and got the same hiss. Replaced the iPower switcher with a linear supply. Same hiss.
Turned off and ran a shorter balanced cable. No noise. Built a true Star Quad cable and connected. No hiss. Played for several hours and hiss was back.
Next day same thing deathly quiet on power up. Play music and hiss returns. Played with power cords and wall outlets. Move second dac to equipment rock to allow using 1/2 meter analog input cables. Same quiet at first and hiss after an hour of playing. Unused analog inputs (open) were silent.
Finally redid system and hooked up a single stereo amp with single ended RCA input. Problem gone. Silent on power up and after hours of playing.
Can only guess temperature drift somewhere in amplifier created this low level high frequency noise when the channels are bridged. And only when input sees low impedance from a powered source. Open inputs are silent when selected.
Amps have a single resonant mode supply shared between channels. So one supply for both +/- rails when bridged. But silent until music is played and amp warms up a little. And only if amp seeing the low impedance of a powered up dac’s output stage.
For now going to just use a single amplifier in stereo mode. Normal output is 100 mW or less. But hope to identify issues and try to address to allow going back to bridged amplifiers.
Cannot accept any hiss even with 105 dB efficient horns because it is not unavoidable. Other amps I have are silent with ear in tweeter. The fact that it is not audible in listening position does not make it acceptable.
 

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Why is it that you need bridged mode with your super-efficient speakers?
 
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Mainly because all my interfaces are balanced only output. Plus moved the computer across the room, moved dac with it.
Using 10 meter balanced analog cables to connect dac to power amps. Made a single ended cable and it is quiet. But 10 meters running around the room is asking for noise.
Noise is reverse of expected. Open analog inputs are silent. Only the input with a source connected develops noise. That is why I started with dac, cables, power supply, and grounding. Expected open inputs to pickup noise, not loaded.
 

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What has bridging the amp got to do with balanced only output?
 

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Are you using the balanced signal to allow you to bridge an amplifier that isn't explicitly designed for bridged operation? Also, what is the impedance of your speakers? Maybe the impedance presented to the amp is too low and this is causing some problem.
 

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If you can get access to a decent oscilloscope with 10x probes, check the output for oscillation.
 
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I will rig up a Clarett 4Pre and use REW. May be ultrasonics from the resonant mode supply leaking down into the audible range.
Hear on tweeter and mid, so it either wide spectrum or somewhere near the crossover at 4 KHz.
For now will just listen to one stereo amp. More interested in listening than running a lot of sweeps.
Thanks!
 
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