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Fosi Audio V3 Mono Amplifier Review

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Both V3 monos were running about 104 - 105F. I know that is supposed to be ok, but...

I ordered a small desk fan and set it up to blow across the tops of both units. With the fan at the lowest setting both are now measuring 87F and feel "cool" when I touch them.
 
Both V3 monos were running about 104 - 105F. I know that is supposed to be ok, but...

I ordered a small desk fan and set it up to blow across the tops of both units. With the fan at the lowest setting both are now measuring 87F and feel "cool" when I touch them.

Active cooling detached from the main chassis.:p
 
As for my pay grade, okay I'm a software engineer, not an audio engineer. On the other hand, I've had articles on aspects of human consciousness published in academic journals, and presented at academic conferences. And I've been a serious amateur musician for 55 years. I'm not claiming "ears" are more sensitive, I'm claiming brains are more capable than instrumentation in some aspects of discernment, including aspects which we can't give verbal reports of. There's a abundant neuroscience literature on this.

One typical, and often-repeated type of experiment involves "priming" the mind by flashing a word or image for a briefer time than the subject can consciously see or report on. That word or image will affect their subsequent interpretation and reaction to things they can consciously report on. Another experiment, heavily explored over the last decade, concerns "change blindness": show a picture of a scene, then a brief intermediate distraction, then another picture of the same scene, but with a major change. Most people most of the time cannot see or report on the change -- or even tell that one has been made. This despite that these are large, clearly-visible features in the pictures. (Google "change blindness" for examples.) A/B comparisons of images, despite obviousness when viewed side-by-side, are not necessarily obvious when viewed sequentially. By implication, sequential audio comparisons are also likely to miss major differences, due to being perceived sequentially, rather than side-by-side.

I'd suggest from my own experience of mixing amps and speakers in a common environment that we can tell side-by-side audio differences when simultaneous, especially when prolonged. But I've not conducted formal lab experiments on this. Still, we are more visual than auditory creatures. There's little reason to suggest we should be better at sequential comparison in the auditory realm than we are in the visual.

As for the implication of the reality of unconscious "priming": it has been shown to affect what we subsequently consciously notice, and how we interpret that. Since music is a sequential process, how we're primed in one moment, even unconsciously, can effect what we consciously perceive in subsequent moments.

Look, I know it would be easier from the engineer's standpoint if we could just count on our technology to do everything our brains can. I know some really smart guys who have the fantasy of uploading their minds into supercomputers. But really, our supercomputers are much better at some things than our brains are. There's other stuff we do with our brains that supercomputers can't touch. As a software engineer I respect the hell out of electronic technology. But I also see where it comes up short against our own native capabilities.
I blame the hifi industry. A central premise of marketing is to create distinctions in the minds of customers even where no meaningful difference exists. One can charge more for a branded shovel than for an unbranded identical shovel, even if the the brand name is unfamiliar. Fascinating, isn’t it?

There are quite a few areas in the recording chain where no audible difference exists and quite a few where small but detectable difference can be heard. Marketers love to suggest that almost everything is in the latter category, which is not surprising. However…

Off the top of my head things that have no impact on sound that we can hear include power cables, banana plugs, most types of copper interconnects, most electronic components of similar spec, door stoppers placed on top of gear and pointy feet placed below gear, high measuring DACs and amplifiers where noise and distortion are below the human threshold and test the same. It’s a long and obviously incomplete list.

Things that really do change what we hear in recording and listening include microphones with different responses, mic placement, the number of microphones used, proximity of mics to the source, the part of the instrument closest to the mic, speakers with different responses, speaker placement, the number of speakers used, playback level, room acoustics for recording or playback. This is also a long and incomplete list.

I may be wrong and it isn’t meaningful to argue the toss about any of this without some evidence to hand but things I love about ASR include the shared knowledge and willingness to assemble helpful evidence.
 
Both V3 monos were running about 104 - 105F. I know that is supposed to be ok, but...

I ordered a small desk fan and set it up to blow across the tops of both units. With the fan at the lowest setting both are now measuring 87F and feel "cool" when I touch them.

Are my amps the only ones that reach over 50 degrees C (122 F) when playing, and 45 (113 F) when only on, without speakers hooked up? It's starting to annoy me that I'm the only one or one of the few where these boxes get so hot. I'm thinking more and more about returning them because of this
 
Is it only mine that reaches over 50 degrees C (122 F) when playing, and 45 (113 F) when only on, without speakers hooked up? It's starting to annoy me that I'm the only one or one of the few where these boxes get so hot. I'm thinking more and more about returning them because of this

What is the temperature in your room? Do you have any kind of fan providing air movement around the room?

Do you have a small fan you can aim at the V3s to see if it helps?
 
What is the temperature in your room? Do you have any kind of fan providing air movement around the room?

Do you have a small fan you can aim at the V3s to see if it helps?
Around 26C -> 79F. I'm not going to buy any cooling fans. I don't like it, I don't have a place under TV for them. The question is why in the same room conditions, some people reach 40C with no load, and others almost 50C. It doesn't seem to be normal... And why the fck I'm the person with almost the highest temperature
 
Around 26C -> 79F. I'm not going to buy any cooling fans. I don't like it, I don't have a place under TV for them. The question is why in the same room conditions, some people reach 40C with no load, and others almost 50C. It doesn't seem to be normal... And why the fck I'm the person with almost the highest temperature

Are they in an enclosed space? How much clearance above them? Do you have them stacked or side by side with at least a couple of inches between them?
 
Are they in an enclosed space? How much clearance above them? Do you have them stacked or side by side with at least a couple of inches between them?
Let's not go that way. All potential obstacles to lower temperature have been eliminated. The amplifiers are not stacked, they have enough space around them
 
Around 26C -> 79F. I'm not going to buy any cooling fans. I don't like it, I don't have a place under TV for them. The question is why in the same room conditions, some people reach 40C with no load, and others almost 50C. It doesn't seem to be normal... And why the fck I'm the person with almost the highest temperature

I realize that locations and people's preferences vary, but those numbers are way too high for room temperature, especially if you're going to have electronics in there.
 
Let's not go that way. All potential obstacles to lower temperature have been eliminated. The amplifiers are not stacked, they have enough space around them
What speakers are you driving? Are they tough to drive?

-Ed
 
Let's not go that way. All potential obstacles to lower temperature have been eliminated. The amplifiers are not stacked, they have enough space around them
I can drive mine pretty hard for three or four hours, then place my hand on top of them immediately after shutdown and they are hot, but not alarmingly so. Not "I have to do something about this hot", and I can leave my hand on top of them no problem. They are noticeably hotter than my Topping PA7 amp driven for the same period at the same levels, but not by a huge margin.
 
I realize that locations and people's preferences vary, but those numbers are way too high for room temperature, especially if you're going to have electronics in there.
Whoah! I’m guessing this post is from someone who heats and cools their house a lot. 26C is not at all uncommon in most of Australia nor in Shenzhen where Fosi is based. I still don’t understand the fuss about amplifiers being quite warm to touch. It is to be expected, especially because the case is the heat sink.
 
What speakers are you driving? Are they tough to drive?

-Ed
Heco Aurora 700 92 dB.

In standby mode they reach around 37. Turned ON but disconnected from speakers around 45 and when playing over 50
 
Received my 2 units. Both are fixed, one of the units had a bit too little thermal paste so I changed both to the latest from Arctic (Cooling)
 
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Let's not go that way. All potential obstacles to lower temperature have been eliminated. The amplifiers are not stacked, they have enough space around them
But your room is 5C warmer than typical. It is therefore normal that your amps are getting at least 5c warmer than others.
 
But your room is 5C warmer than typical. It is therefore normal that your amps are getting at least 5c warmer than others.
That's what I was explaining that my ambient is 22C his is 26C which means 4C to 5C more than everyone else.
One thought I don't know what flat screen you have Renoxd, but heat from that could be affecting the readings?
But I'm doing what I said to deal with summer heat. I haven't tested the lower temps yet.
 

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But your room is 5C warmer than typical. It is therefore normal that your amps are getting at least 5c warmer than others.
I certainly don't have a vast knowledge of heat conduction, but I don't think that a room temperature difference between 22- 26C translate into same figure for the device when working at much higher temperature than ambient.

In addition, there are some people whose temperature barely reaches 41 degrees under load, and they don't have 19C in the room. Looking at the fact that my speakers are sensitive, and I don't listen music loud, I still believe that Over 50C is not right. 45C only when turned ON without any load is also not great.

I just got info from Fosi Team to check it with different power supply and socket "as an unstable power voltage may also contribute to these temperature differences". Well, I would, but I don't have any… at least not yet.
 
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